>be me. >go to local craft beer store. >they don't have pliny the elder or heady topper

>be me
>go to local craft beer store
>they don't have pliny the elder or heady topper
>slink away, dejected and defeated
Why did craft beer fail?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've only been able to get Heady in Vermont and Pliny in California, they don't have good distribution. Good thing I live in Massachusetts so I can get Heady pretty easily with just a drive. 3 Floyd's Zombie Dust is a decent substitute for Pliny though, I enjoy it. Any IPA from Treehouse is amazing from my experience, but good luck finding a can from them outside of MA.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Any IPA from Treehouse is amazing from my experience, but good luck finding a can from them outside of MA.
      It's OK at best. Though, I guess it's sort of an experience standing in the long-ass line at the brewery like you're in a Soviet bread line, just to get to the end and be asked, "Do you want your allotment today?"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      pliny the elder and craft beers with cancerous-cringe inducing "box-art" is shit

      only "craft" beer ive enjoyed was Prohibition - the reds were great on or off tap
      the greens were shit IPA's

      why can't people drink beer as according to the german purity laws of 1500's?

      is the world THAT insistent on acting and behaving like Black folk - despite the world being built by ancestoral europeans?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why can't people drink beer as according to the german purity laws of 1500's?
        So, like Pliny? Or most IPAs? Why can't people actually look shit up before posting? What you really want is for beer to be like you imagine it would have been in 16th century German - NOT that it follows the Reinheitsgebot. If the purity law magically became law overnight do you have any idea what the beer shelves would look like? 90% of the lagers would be gone, stouts and porters would be gone, Belgians would be non-existent as would all forms of wheat beer. But you know what you'd probably see a lot more of? IPAs. If you thought IPAs were overrepresented before, under the Reinheitsgebot they would probably make up close to 90% of the market. People would have to start getting pretty creative with their label art with all that competition to stand out from.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most beer made would qualify. Outside of a few outliers I feel like most German beers have this weird taste to them that is generally unpleasant to me. I chalk it up to the import factor but they all taste kinda stale

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why can't people drink beer as according to the german purity laws of 1500's?
        because I like rye and wheat beers, belgian beers, british beers...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Belgians don't NEED kandi sugar or wheat, you'll wind up with a really heavy quadrupel if you go that far with it, but it's largely the yeast doing the work there. Most English, Scottish and Irish beers are also barley, hops, water, and yeast.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            don't care. "muh purity laws" = newly legal drinker that's just discovered import lagers

            https://i.imgur.com/8ufaNew.jpg

            >actually consuming over-hopped, unnaturally strong beer
            >Completely overpowers any good you eat it with
            >Just 2 cans gets you drunk like a disgusting classless slob, literally classified as binge drinking by all health organizations
            >fermented with genetically modified yeast
            >made by suspenders and flannel wearing, beard oil mustache soy boy hipsters
            >not embracing traditional beer like pic related from a 100 year old brewery perfecting its recipe
            >balanced flavor profile, made to be paired with food
            >meant to be drank to the point of a mild buzz, at most
            The west is doomed

            https://i.imgur.com/upUGaLA.jpg

            I know I'll get shit for posting a Flanders red because you homosexuals need something bitter to wash down the taste of cum. The point is that there are plenty of craft beers made by European breweries that have been perfecting their craft for 100s if not 1000s of years, and aren't just trying to profit off a nation of alcoholics that think they're adults because they drink bitter beer. I have nothing against the bitterness from hops, but even the Chinese make better use of hops than you gays. Pic related btfos the entire US "craft" beer market

            don't care either

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm glad this necromancer brought this thread back from death to tell us he doesn't care.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if it was dead when I replied all of 3.5 mins after the previous reply it was dead in the almost 20 it took you to reply to me you stupid ADD addled piece of shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hey,
                I don't care (‾◡◝)

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >beer
    >that isn't Delirium Tremens
    Literally no excuses. I do not care how fatherless you were as a boy. I do not care how irredeemable your taste is. I do not care how utterly poor you claim to be.
    There is no reason or emotion that could ever justify drinking this swill. You could be on your last leg as a dying drunk and need the booze to live and it would still not be good enough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pliny is top tier while Tremens is merely high tier
      T. Knower

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much this. There's such a bias here against IPAs and towards German and Belgian beer that you’re almost never going to get a good take. Then again, I don’t really take anyone seriously who singles out one specific beer as “the best thing ever!” You can have a favorite beer, but the “do you need more” attitude always tells me that that person doesn’t have a ton of experience. I see this most often (both here and irl) with Guinness, and if you think Guinness is the greatest beer ever I can’t take you seriously; and for a Belgian, DT isn’t much different than Guinness.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I see this most often (both here and irl) with Guinness, and if you think Guinness is the greatest beer ever I can’t take you seriously
          For real? Guinness is a great beer that's a solid go-to in bars, but it's by no means the be-all, end-all. So many breweries make better stouts and porters.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Guinness is fine, it's just that I've met probably half a dozen people who make that their entire personality (in the context of having a drink). It's kind of embarrassing showing up somewhere and seeing them light up when they see Guinness is on tap. I think the thing that irks me the most about it is that Guinness is such a popular, ubiquitous beer, it just comes off as lazy of them to have settled on that as their highest bar. It's like if you have two friends, and one of them is really into David Lynch. It's really annoying, because most people don't want to hear esoteric theories about the symbolism in his movies for the millionth time. But then your other friend is really into Avengers movies and makes that their entire "thing", and refers to themself as an unabashed fanboy or whatever. I would take the David Lynch fan any day of the year. At least they're into something that has a little bit of depth to it, and isn't so ubiquitous there's literally nothing to discuss because everyone is already familiar with the thing.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              One guy I gig with has made his entire personality about his Irish heritage - not that it's not there, but his parents were from Glasgow. He's such a tourist about it. Guinness and Harp and Jameson! Check out this Christmas song I wrote, it's got two words of Gaelic in it!
              Dude got really offended when I offered him an O'Hara's... like... it's free beer. Are you watching your weight? Put it in your face you Sinn Fein wannabe.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      delirium tremens is one of the shittier widely-distributed belgians 2bhwyf. i guess it's alright if you enjoy the overwhelming flavor of pink bubblegum like some kind of child or homosexual.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I live a short bike ride away from the Unibroue brewery. I enjoy Delerium's beers, but I can get some good non-Belge Belgians, and some detour beers right at the door.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >invoking the fatherless soyboy meme only to champion the ur-example of high-ABV, cartoon marketing, non-lager import beer
      You are the bearded suburban fancyboy you hate, anon

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Craft beer is enjoyed by pseudo successful failures. Weak men who live and die by what they read on the internet. It was doomed from the start

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As an industry, it's doing objectively fine. As it stands, the worst case scenario is it levels off to where the established brands stay established and newer breweries struggle to go past a regional or local market. Which is fine. Not every brewery needs to aspire to be Sierra Nevada.
    The only thing that irks me right now is how pervasive market trends to the point where it actively stifles diversity in styles. Several times I've checked out a brewery and found it difficult to find anything I was interested in because most of the taps were dominated by hazy IPAs and flavored sours, which are what's selling, but they're not what I like so I'm SOL.
    I'm more into old world styles, especially English beers which aren't very popular and at best are rotationals. Feels bad, man.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm more into old world styles, especially English beers which aren't very popular and at best are rotationals.
      Honestly, I'd drink a lot more English ales if I could get a wider, fresher variety. I like the fact that they tend to be lower in alcohol and lighter on the palate while retaining some nice complexities in flavor.
      I typically stick to US west coast locals and their seasonal rotations because they're everywhere and very fresh most of the time. I've completely given up on hype brands because they rarely live up to the reputation. Hazies are huge right now and just don't do it for me at all when I've already got access to tried and true west coast-style IPAs.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    people who say "craft beer" and "artisan bread" and "specialty cheese" give me the ick

    if food/drink that isn't absolute garbage requires a special modifier I don't want to talk to you

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just as well. I don't want to talk to anyone who says "gives me the ick".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same. Only people looking in from the outside use these terms. It's like living in a secular society and then having a religious person call you an atheist. It's just a meaningless term. "Craft beer" is just "beer" at this point.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >"Craft beer" is just "beer" at this point.
        It's always been just "beer," because that's how beer has always been made. The mass-produced stuff is the anomaly.
        You don't see "craft wines" or "craft liquors" used as labels because any wine or liquor worth consuming already meets those criteria.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          there is something like that with wine though, they don't say literally "craft wine" but there is a distinction sometimes made between mass market wine like meiomi, and "fine wine" like georges roumier

          and you do definitely see "craft spirits" being referred to sometimes, also lol at "any wine or liquor worth consuming already meets those criteria.", you poor naive soul you have no idea what kind of undrinkable garbage is out there that is perfectly legal to sell, both for wine and for spirits

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there is no "craft wine" because "craft" is a meaningless marketing term for soibois and wine has actual words that mean things, for example a blend vs a vintage. all beer you buy at the store is made with similar industrial processes, just at a different scale, and guess what, the big guys tend to have better consistency. if anything the craft revolution is really a backlash to light lagers dominating the market for a few decades and not any sort of revival in traditional techniques.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >if anything the craft revolution is really a backlash to light lagers dominating the market for a few decades
              Um, no? It was people gradually discovering that beer can have flavor after over half a century of nothing but macro-swill following prohibition. It wasn't a "backlash". It was people who liked beer and wanted to make better beer.
              >and not any sort of revival in traditional techniques
              W-what?? Literally nobody claimed craft beer was some kind of a "revival in traditional techniques." Yes, some of the earliest "craft" breweries that found wide success (e.g. Samuel Adams/Anchor Steam) were explicitly using a pre-prohibition recipe/technique, but by and large the craft beer "movement" was really about innovation, and people just wanting to drink good beer. In any case, comparing "craft" beer to "craft" wine or liquor is kind of dumb; the markets and history is completely different when it comes to beer in America.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It was people gradually discovering that beer can have flavor after over half a century of nothing but macro-swill following prohibition

                so exactly what I said

                >W-what??
                why are you stuttering, are you a moron?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >so exactly what I said
                No. I literally explained how it wasn't a "backlash". Reactionaries only ever see anything in reactionary terms because they have no imagination. They never DO anything of significance, and live life in constant fear, never self-actualizing or finding even a hint of authenticity in their being. They're basically non-human, as their not technically subjects.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Reactionaries

                I knew I could smell rotting wound

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I hate to break it to you, anon, but we're on the internet. If you're smelling something bad it's only on your end. And you literally used the word "backlash". Most reactionaries don't shy away from the term, they embrace it, but you're so far down the bat shit crazy return to "tradition" bullshit rabbit hole you don't even realize that you're mad about good things happening, and are projecting your hatred of progress onto people in their garages just wanting to make the best beer they can with them being mad about this giant force of shitty beer that people kind of just accepted because there was nothing else. God you're dumb.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                do you smash a nice, hoppy, IPA while you're dilating?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You don't need to insert a comma between an adjective and an acronym, regardless of what the first letter stands for. This is the same reason you will always be wrong if you pronounce "gif" with a hard G.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If calling it a jif is wrong, I don't want to be rigged.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                haven't had a chance to use this one lately

                show us on the doll where books touched you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I knew I could smell rotting wound
                close your legs then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you poor naive soul you have no idea what kind of undrinkable garbage is out there that is perfectly legal to sell, both for wine and for spirits
            "Perfectly legal to sell" doesn't mean "worth consuming." I'm not going to recommend a boxed wine or Kamchatka vodka to anyone.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              But you said:
              >You don't see "craft wines" or "craft liquors" used as labels because any wine or liquor worth consuming already meets those criteria.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, that's what I said.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i/ck

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it is because of indians who outsourced the craft beer, we used to have normal beer and then the pajeets took over and forced it to become "indian pale ale"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me more about the Indian takeover of the brewing industry.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the rothschilds and hunter biden teamed up to make it illegal to not force your son to wear a skirt to communist indoctrination camp (or as libtards call it, "school"), this resulted in the fall of the west where red blooded american males were replaced with that bud light girl and before you know it normal beer was extinct much like the dinosaurs and just like the dinosaurs, the devil did it (collegecuck coasties and their transgender ideology)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          During my senior year of college in 2014-2015 we banned bud lite in my house because the year before we realized it was the only brand of beer that people would leave half-full cans of laying around after a party. And because it's awful beer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me more about the Indian takeover of the brewing industry.

      the rothschilds and hunter biden teamed up to make it illegal to not force your son to wear a skirt to communist indoctrination camp (or as libtards call it, "school"), this resulted in the fall of the west where red blooded american males were replaced with that bud light girl and before you know it normal beer was extinct much like the dinosaurs and just like the dinosaurs, the devil did it (collegecuck coasties and their transgender ideology)

      samegay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah you seethed about this in the other thread too. get new material buddy

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I made a thread a few months ago after finding both at the one store. It was the first time I'd ever seen them in the same place and I thought it was pretty cool. Definitely an argument against the idea that craft beer is "failing" (lol).

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I only drink
    -Westmalle, Rochefort, Chimay, Orval
    -Occasional Duvel because it's a strong beer that's not no heavy and sugary
    -XX Bitter and Zinnebier
    -cheap pils when none of the above is available or when it's hot
    IPAs suck
    Craft try to be complex but end up being complicated sugary mess with 350 different hops

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    spotted the kolgay

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >actually consuming over-hopped, unnaturally strong beer
    >Completely overpowers any good you eat it with
    >Just 2 cans gets you drunk like a disgusting classless slob, literally classified as binge drinking by all health organizations
    >fermented with genetically modified yeast
    >made by suspenders and flannel wearing, beard oil mustache soy boy hipsters
    >not embracing traditional beer like pic related from a 100 year old brewery perfecting its recipe
    >balanced flavor profile, made to be paired with food
    >meant to be drank to the point of a mild buzz, at most
    The west is doomed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I know I'll get shit for posting a Flanders red because you homosexuals need something bitter to wash down the taste of cum. The point is that there are plenty of craft beers made by European breweries that have been perfecting their craft for 100s if not 1000s of years, and aren't just trying to profit off a nation of alcoholics that think they're adults because they drink bitter beer. I have nothing against the bitterness from hops, but even the Chinese make better use of hops than you gays. Pic related btfos the entire US "craft" beer market

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/upUGaLA.jpg

      I know I'll get shit for posting a Flanders red because you homosexuals need something bitter to wash down the taste of cum. The point is that there are plenty of craft beers made by European breweries that have been perfecting their craft for 100s if not 1000s of years, and aren't just trying to profit off a nation of alcoholics that think they're adults because they drink bitter beer. I have nothing against the bitterness from hops, but even the Chinese make better use of hops than you gays. Pic related btfos the entire US "craft" beer market

      You're either a moronic foreigner or a moronic American who discovered imports and abandoned anything local even though fresh beer beats any other beer.

      Btw had a local Flanders red the other day in the middle of nowhere Midwest. Eat my ass, moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Abandoned anything local
        Nope, there's a local brewery that makes great farmhouse sours. I'm just pissed that 99% of the craft beers I see are 9% abv hopsmaxxed trash. And yes, pliny falls into that category

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the winning move is to stop drinking
    i did, and while i don't like not drinking, i like drinking even less.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of beer
    It's just fricking bitter

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      believe it or not people like the taste, people have been bittering beers with herbs long before hops were first used at least as far back as the 9th century

      https://i.imgur.com/8ufaNew.jpg

      >actually consuming over-hopped, unnaturally strong beer
      >Completely overpowers any good you eat it with
      >Just 2 cans gets you drunk like a disgusting classless slob, literally classified as binge drinking by all health organizations
      >fermented with genetically modified yeast
      >made by suspenders and flannel wearing, beard oil mustache soy boy hipsters
      >not embracing traditional beer like pic related from a 100 year old brewery perfecting its recipe
      >balanced flavor profile, made to be paired with food
      >meant to be drank to the point of a mild buzz, at most
      The west is doomed

      this beer, for example, isn't actually an ancient style but rather modern and aged until it goes sour and that sourness balances the sweetness

      I had some german malt soft drink once and it was fricking disgusting, and while it would have been made with malt extract, it was a good illustration as to why people like beer being bitter

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I made a small batch completely unbittered once. Malt's got a sweetness that would make a Mountain Dew addict wince. It definitely needs reined in with beer. Spruce and heather do a good job if you want to try something less obviously bitter - then again, so do landrace hops.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is my current favorite, two 20oz for $6.50 at the local gas station and better than any other beer I've had recently

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