Do food quality standards between USA and EU really make much difference?

I was watching people argue about the additives in Froot Loops between USA and EU and whether of not Yellow 5 or Red 40 is dangerous, but I am of the opinion that if Froot Loops makes up a significant portion of you're diet, Yellow 5 is the least of your concerns.

Don't eat significant amounts of packaged foods, and problem is solved. If you do, these additives aren't even close to your biggest health concerns

I go to the grocery store and buy produce, raw meat, and possibly some packaged products I've checked the ingredients of, and I see someone behind me buying entirely from the isle, then I guess they blame the FDA for being fat.
>muh GMO
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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >food quality standards
    You mean labelling standards, Anon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      true, couldn't "Vegetable Concentrates", "Natural Citrus Flavor with Other Natural Flavors" and "Coloring" include a bulk of the extra ingredients for the US one?

      Also It seems the cereal flours might actually be the same, they just broke it up in the US one.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I did some digging into this last year, I think 2017 was the latest EU regulation change but basically, the US makes companies break everything apart, while the EU lets companies lump things together and use catch-alls like "flavor" instead of monosodium glutamate and ascorbic acid
        Also labelling is completely voluntary in the EU but it's like, conditional, I think, depending on the packaging, so if there's a picture on it or something they don't have to list it
        The main reason they even bother is for export reasons
        There are two substantive differences in ingredients, in North America corn syrup is cheaper so that's why it's popular, while in the EU sugar is cheaper
        And the other one I'm drawing a blank on, if it comes back to me I'll post it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you are a moronic mutt in denial. it is not optional at all in products like these. the difference in ingredients is real, you can easily figure it looking at the macro data. EU version is 25% sugar, mutt version is 30%. actually it is not easy at all, because mutt packages can make up an arbitrary "serving size" and round down the amounts to zero.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            right unlike in Europe.
            the German serving size for Nutella is something like 10g and it's promoted as a healthy breakfast.
            the serving size for cereal is something like a big spoon full.

            US food safety is more lax true but I think it's truly stupid of Europeans to constantly feel vastly superior to the US in all regards.

            btw I'm German.

            also please don't deflect by going on a rant about free public healthcare or education as both don't exist, instead consider being angry at your national government or the super national one instead of getting angry about those evil Americans.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              in the EU the nutrition data is always listed for 100g in addition to the bullshit serving size imagined by the company. in the US there is only the imaginary serving size, which makes comparing different products literally impossible. additionally, they often use it to round the amounts to zero, and this is how you end with magical 100% fat oil spray that has "0 kcal". the US standards are a joke.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >German
              Wisconsin is not Germany, Travis. Deutschland, like the rest of Europe, lists nutrition info by the hectogram. If you were German and not some larping New Worlder, you'd have known that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I did some digging into this last year, I think 2017 was the latest EU regulation change but basically, the US makes companies break everything apart, while the EU lets companies lump things together and use catch-alls like "flavor" instead of monosodium glutamate and ascorbic acid
        Also labelling is completely voluntary in the EU but it's like, conditional, I think, depending on the packaging, so if there's a picture on it or something they don't have to list it
        The main reason they even bother is for export reasons
        There are two substantive differences in ingredients, in North America corn syrup is cheaper so that's why it's popular, while in the EU sugar is cheaper
        And the other one I'm drawing a blank on, if it comes back to me I'll post it

        yes USA labels is more accurate despite a lot of hate they get online. but otherwise EU regulations on colouring is more strict.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Seems like they still let the Chinese use gutter oil though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            honor system anon. imported foods are taken at face value. this is why you never trust the yellomihn

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Chinese use gutter oil though.
            FDA don't seem to give a shit about imported labels. otherwise they would force all europoors food to change their labels too.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >t. has never bought an imported product

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                , cows or hogs are fed both growth hormones and antibiotics just to increase
                i live in SEA monkys. we import food from all over asia and sometimes russia too. the SEA and nippon labels aren't half as autistical as USA brands. sometimes there's no ingredients list at all! exception would be made in EU CLIF bars, the ingredients list was autistic AND translated into 10 languages!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this cope again
      They're based on the exact same document.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What document would that be?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dresden codex. Or Paris. Forgot which

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Codex Alimentarius. Both the FDA rules and the EU legislation were developed based on that standard.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude fricking read them. They say the same thing; European food legislature is more vague so their ingredient statements are too.

        I agree kys.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bullshit, you disingenuous c**t. What's stopping American food labels from listing carrots, cherries and radishes then?
        And why aren't the two identical in look and nutrition? Stupid fricking faerie princess homosexual.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          op's image isn't true, it's that shrimple really

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bullshit.
            https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/714hiaYCVHL._AC_UF894,10000_QL80_.jpg
            Simple fact is, American Froot Loops are not the same as Euro Front Loops, as is plainly obvious to anyone above a room temperature IQ.
            There are no actual fruits of any kind in American Froot Loops while they are in the Euro ones. If there were even a dream of a fruit in there, "MaDe WiTh ReAl FrUit!" would be slapped all over the box like with every other American product with 1% apple in it.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >food babe
    commit unalive

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, wonder which one would taste better if you try them both. If one tastes way sweeter you can be almost sure. That being said, a lot of "people" here will pretend eating one bad thing here and there will explode rape your heart and give you colonpeniscancer. Most non fresh food isn't perfect but the one-upmanship going on on both sides is subhuman tier.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >if Froot Loops makes up a significant portion of you're diet, Yellow 5 is the least of your concerns.
    THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS FRICKING SAY!
    But I say it about grains. I only eat refined grains. I say that if you're diet is so brain heavy that switching from refined to brown or wholemeal will make a significant difference in your macros, you've already fricked up.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Agreed, it's like the people mad about chick-fil-a for no longer using antibiotic-free chicken.
    homie you're eating fast food. If you cared about health you would have cooked food yourself.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are the same thing, the US just has different laws than the EU on listing ingredients. Bad take as always, europoor

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They are the same thing
      They probably aren't, but the differences aren't likely to be enormous.

      Companies often change products in different countries to reflect local costs of ingredients and local standards.

      Probably the most famous example is Cadbury chocolate, which in the U.S. is absolute garbage. Apparently in England it's "good" for a certain value of "good" anyway. This is such an issue that Cadbury sued U.S. gray-market importers of Cadbury chocolates for importing the English chocolates because U.S. customers would be "misled" by the difference in tastes.

      Actually, I guess an even more famous example now is that Mexican Coca-Cola uses real cane sugar whereas U.S. Coca-Cola uses HFCS. I just saw a bunch of MexiCoke flats in Costco today being sold at a premium price compared to U.S. Coke because people like the cane sugar more than HFCS.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Placebo. I tried a cadbury bar in England when I last went there and it tasted the same as the ones I can get in the US. I've also had imported Swiss and Australian chocolates. If anything, they're sweeter than typical American chocolate like Hershey's. Like they've got double the sugar or something.

        https://i.imgur.com/MBzNfNQ.gif

        >oatmeal and brown sugar?
        Nah...
        >toast with honey maybe a banana?
        No no, not that either...
        >fruit shake? Quick lil fruit shake in the AM to get ya kids going???
        Almost...but no...
        >home-made french toast, make it a special treat day....?
        Nah homie ya know what? Give dem little b***hes sum RED 40 and SOLUABLE CORN FIBER for breakfast. Get their brains ready for the government mandated education camp.

        >grain
        >grain, in a box
        Why are you like this?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's more because the glass costs more than the cans, which is why they moved to cans in the first place. Not just the bottles themselves, but the additional care in transport too. It's also why the little 6oz glass bottle six packs of HFCS coke you can buy cost $2-3 more than the equivalent mixer cans.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Actually, I guess an even more famous example now is that Mexican Coca-Cola uses real cane sugar whereas U.S. Coca-Cola uses HFCS.
        I'm the guy continuously bringing up the fact that the two Froot Loops are very, very obviously not identical despite the extreme bullshit people are claiming to the contrary. I honestly can't tell the difference between Mexican Coke and American. I don't think I can tell the difference, at least in drink turn, between hfcs and cane sugar.

        Placebo. I tried a cadbury bar in England when I last went there and it tasted the same as the ones I can get in the US. I've also had imported Swiss and Australian chocolates. If anything, they're sweeter than typical American chocolate like Hershey's. Like they've got double the sugar or something.

        [...]
        >grain
        >grain, in a box
        Why are you like this?

        >If anything, they're sweeter
        iinm, they actually have less sugar than Hershey's, since Hershey's needs to be sweetened more heavily to counteract the acid they add to it for no fricking reason and because of the lack of acid, Euro schoggi tastes sweeter

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder why the German version has no green loops. It's not like you can't get green food color there.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Food dyes must be naturally sourced, which is why the Euro Loops only come in three colours.

      >food quality standards
      You mean labelling standards, Anon

      Bullshit, you disingenuous c**t. What's stopping American food labels from listing carrots, cherries and radishes then?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you are a moronic mutt in denial. it is not optional at all in products like these. the difference in ingredients is real, you can easily figure it looking at the macro data. EU version is 25% sugar, mutt version is 30%. actually it is not easy at all, because mutt packages can make up an arbitrary "serving size" and round down the amounts to zero.

        nah

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >usa
    >food quality standards
    >europe
    >food

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >oatmeal and brown sugar?
    Nah...
    >toast with honey maybe a banana?
    No no, not that either...
    >fruit shake? Quick lil fruit shake in the AM to get ya kids going???
    Almost...but no...
    >home-made french toast, make it a special treat day....?
    Nah homie ya know what? Give dem little b***hes sum RED 40 and SOLUABLE CORN FIBER for breakfast. Get their brains ready for the government mandated education camp.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget the hydrogebated sneeed oils and hfcslgbt syrup.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      slightly off topic but apparently here in Germany it's perfectly acceptable nowadays to start each school day by watching the government and then reciting what topic each student found the most interesting.

      we're doing the education camp over here for real.

      I'm pretty sure shit like that wouldn't fly in the US or even china.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The US has been doing that off and on since the 70s but not all schools participated

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're literally the same ingredients but listed differently. US labels require an unnecessary level of detail.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullshit, you disingenuous c**t. What's stopping American food labels from listing carrots, cherries and radishes then?
      And why aren't the two identical in look and nutrition? Stupid fricking faerie princess homosexual.

      american orange fanta was formulated to compete with existing orange sodas like crush, it's a completely different thing

      And European Froot Loops were formulated differently, too. it's a completely different thing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What's stopping American food labels from listing carrots, cherries and radishes then?
        if you're talking about produce, then that's fresh and not transformed, no need to label. If you buy a bag of baby carrots, that's transformed, and I'm pretty sure you'll have an ingredient label.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US has 3rd world food standards because they're a 3rd world country. Horrible place, really. Sort of disgusting. Makes one shudder

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Big words are scary 🙁

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it's exactly the same!
    >it's just listed differently!
    >stop making me think, my fructose plaques are going to break off!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Completely different product.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't german fanta the original recipe or something because it was invented there, probably not the greatest example. Also I think they tried switching some popular cereals to vegetable coloring a few years ago but switched back because nobody buying fruit loops gives a shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      american orange fanta was formulated to compete with existing orange sodas like crush, it's a completely different thing

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US isn't allowed to lie about ingredients anymore. Other places can and will.
    The shit on left looks like a lot because of forced transparency. Even then they still lie on packaging. See "honey".
    Simple as.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bullshit, you disingenuous c**t. What's stopping American food labels from listing carrots, cherries and radishes then?
      And why aren't the two identical in look and nutrition? Stupid fricking faerie princess homosexual.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        homie you're arguing about which version of sugary cereal is healthier

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are both shit and you are not very smart.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're both shit and obsessing over the additives is pointless since they have very little to no effect on your health compared to all the sugar in it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I usually just say that someone is an idiot and leave it at that but I'll explain why you are not very smart: I'm not obsessing over additives nor sugar. There isn't even anything in my post that would even slightly, sorta kinda maybe perhaps whisper the barest implication of any issue with additives or sugar.
              The post is simply pointing out that the claim that American labeling laws force Kellogg's to list every single chemical and ingredient while European labeling laws do not and that the two products are identical is bullshit.
              Were that claim true, the American label would list carrot, cherry and radish. It does not.
              Were that claim true, the nutrition for each product would be identical. They are not.
              Were that claim true, the two would be the same technicolor hue. They are not.
              Ergo, anyone who isn't a blithering inbred can plainly see that they are not the same product.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Two different products can still have two different labelling requirements, your logic is flawed

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are not very smart

                >What's stopping American food labels from listing carrots, cherries and radishes then?
                if you're talking about produce, then that's fresh and not transformed, no need to label. If you buy a bag of baby carrots, that's transformed, and I'm pretty sure you'll have an ingredient label.

                You are less than not very smart.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree.
    I chuckle to myself inside when I hear someone say that Trader Joes is their favorite "grocery store"
    People who eat all their food that comes in boxes needs to get their shit together.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But Trader Joe’s does have higher quality packaged items for a low price.

      It’s a good place to go every month or two to get the packaged items you need (condiments, coffee), but it’s not a real grocery store

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's Aldi

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >euros don’t get vitamins
    Is that why they all look go ghoulish?

    else
    >they’re the same!
    You do see how fruit loops (American) has fantastical colors like blue and fruit loops (Yuro) don’t, yea?
    >it’s just labeling requirements!
    You do see how even the like ingredients that are labeled differ, yea?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's great, they still add poison(s) to your food and there is really nothing else to be said about it. for example there is a ingredients which has been proven to frick up kids contration and something else(will re-check on it but i know it was a beverage). rest of your post can be summed up with "eat healthy and your body will be fine! :)" which ofc is true but also irrelevant bcs topic is about whether you should add soap40 or not to your corn flakes or maybe adding corn suryp to everything is a bit moronic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I’m sure red 40 is the reason they’re unhealthy, not the fact that they’re eating sugary cereal for breakfast.

      And there’s 0 evidence that corn syrup is worse than cane sugar

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the FDA requires you to put all the chemicals and ingredients involved in the process because of people with specific allergies, not just say "and other flavors". funny how you think you are eating healthier when they are just lying to your face

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The American label literally says "natural flavor" tho. Doesn't even say what the natural flavor is derived from. It could be squidshit for all I know.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    US one has different food coloring and is fortified with multivitamin.
    Howz about you don't eat goyloops at all?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US one doesn't have carrots, either.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >food babe
    queer

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kinder surprise contains plastic parts that have caused people to choke to death in europe, but not in america

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've tried both imported US froot loops and also the ones I can get here in the UK.

    American ones are better. More vibrant colours (ours our just dull yellow, pink and purple) and the flavour is much weaker. Not worth it.

    The issue I am seeing now is the companies that import and sell the US versions in the UK are experiencing much stricter enforcement - BVO, dyes, sulphites etc.Root and birch beer is a classic one for too much sulphites.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the way I see it is you're not drinking yellow 5 or red 40 from a fricking drinking fountain, it's just trace amounts and you probably don't eat an entire box of this a day. you can call this cope or whatever but I don't think it's that serious.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The issue is some people genuinely live off this crap. Consuming nothing but Pepsi, Poptarts, and Doritos.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        True I suppose. Hung out at my brother's house for christmas and I swear he'd eat a big bag of hot cheetos every day.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not even a cost issue, because it costs more than just cooking for yourself. It's a lifestyle issue. They're lazy and of low impulse control, so they buy big bags of junk because it sparks their endorphins more than making a baked potato or whatever.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >one country uses all available ingredients
    >other country uses all available ingredients
    >reeee

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://smartlabel.kelloggs.com/Product/Index/00038000181719#ingredients
    Please don't lie on my board.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    less colour additives which supposedly means less cancer. but otherwise food babe is "muh chemicals are difficult words!" moronic. you should buy ads.

    also vitamin C is more useful then throwing in critrus "flavor" which is usually just citric acid powder. vitamin Bs also taste pretty good besides being good for ya.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even in terms of raw food products there are insane differences between EU and US. You'd know that if your country had something resembling public education

    Chickens, cows or hogs are fed both growth hormones and antibiotics just to increase growth. This is illegal in the entire EU. America literally chlorinates its chickens. This is illegal as well. American meat is usually plied with salt water after butchering, to increase the weight and get some more profits. This is also illegal in the EU.

    America has some of the lowest food quality standards in the entire world. Which, yknow, isn't surprising for a shithole soon to be overtaken by China in life expectancy, quality of life and gdp.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Chickens, cows or hogs are fed both growth hormones and antibiotics just to increase growth. This is illegal in the entire EU. America literally chlorinates its chickens. This is illegal as well. American meat is usually plied with salt water after butchering, to increase the weight and get some more profits. This is also illegal in the EU.
      None of this is proven to have any negative health impacts
      >and get some more profits
      to make food cheaper
      >Which, yknow, isn't surprising for a shithole soon to be overtaken by China in life expectancy, quality of life and gdp.
      Are you writing this in 2018? There are middle class Chinese people illegally crossing the US/Mexico border

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >to make food cheaper
        Ah, yes. The famously much cheaper groceries in the US.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Raw meat costs actually are indeed lower in USA than EU

          And again, there’s absolutely no scientific evidence that any of things you mentioned are harmful. The EU ban is essentially protectionism

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah fair point, I guess that's why Americans generally look so slim and healthy.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The obesity crisis in USA is certainly a result of people eating too much processed food and sugar, not the quality of raw meat.

              If that was the main contributor, obesity wouldn't be a problem anywhere that doesn't put hormones in meat. Yet UK, where meat doesn't contain hormones, is more obese than Brazil, where it does

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shitposting aside, there's some evidence that a diet of cheap but low quality meat with less digestible protein causes people to then go on to seek out simple calories from sugar and processed carbs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post evidence that meat made from cows injected with growth hormones has less digestible protein

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick it, I was curious. For the record I don't personally give a shit about what my beef's been fed.
                1) Dry-aged beef showed significantly higher in vitro protein digestibility
                >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6238036
                2) hormone-treated cattle "does not improve as quickly during ageing"
                >https://www.thebeefsite.com/news/33108/beef-taste-tenderness-marred-by-hormones
                3) HGP implants increase protein deposition in a live animal by increasing protein synthesis and slowing protein degradation rates [...] Calpastatin, which is an inhibitor of the calpain system, has been shown to have increased activity in HGP treated carcasses, resulting in a negative effect on eating quality.
                >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0309174018300597

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In other words, on a subjective level hormone-fed beef may taste less succulent and the potential negative effects it has on protein digestibility can be overcome through aging the beef after slaughter.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. I should have included an explanation of the links:
                1) Ageing beef improves digestibility
                2) Hormone treated beef does not age as well
                3) Because the same mechanism that helps grow protein slows down the ageing process

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There are middle class Chinese people illegally crossing the US/Mexico border
        And I ate an egg roll yesterday, that doesn't change the fact that China has a higher life expectancy. Cope all you want.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this man thinks China doesn't use growth hormones in meat

      bro, almost everyone does but the EU. USA, Canada, Australia, China, they all do.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Brazil also.

        Argentina doesn't, however

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not taking gmo seriously.

    Most people dont know this but the food is modified to either be resistant to insects or herbicice.

    So if insects hate or die after eating the modified food, what do you think it does to the itty bitty microflora in your digestive tracts that helps you break down food and NOT be intolerant to other foods?

    If we continue eating gmo people will start being born with microflora that helps digest regular food and be intolerant to everything.

    >but the scientific papers say the poison that kills insects dont affect bacteria that much.

    If you believe that you are beyond help

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >better food policies: EU
    >better credit policies: EU
    >better media policies: US

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I actually have an uncensored disk copy of the german CnC Generals which was only available for a couple days before they put out that other abomination. I should check if its worth something now I guess

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kys
      >Kys
      >do ur research and kys

      Dude fricking read them. They say the same thing; European food legislature is more vague so their ingredient statements are too.

      I agree kys.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now post the Call of Duty games from 15 years ago when all the Swastikas were removed in the Euro releases.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the eu labells just lie.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if yurop is so great about food standards how come chlormequat is legal there when it's banned here?

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also US version: Does not taste like Hans ass

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