It's the current boogeyman hyped up by ketofags who wanna drink butter and grease and retards that saw a sentence in a single paper that said they might be bad
I didn't say that, I said they're not food. It's processed shit with shitloads of leftovers from processing. Go find out how that shit is made before posting ITT
The glowies invented a new petty stupid thing for us plebs to pointlesslly argue about. There is truth to it, but it's obfuscated by poor terminology and semantics.
On a practical level, different seeds are different. But most of them are unhealthy because they contain high levels of inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids, and/or were industrial waste to begin with that was processed with more toxic chemicals in order to make them into something vaguely edible.
tl;dr: If you care about your health stick to cooking with coconut, avocado, olive oil, butter and/or lard. Saturated fat isn't bad. Flaxseed oil is good but you can't really cook with it because of its low smokepoint.
Flaxseed has a lot of omega 3 to go with your omega 6. You can use it instead of eating fish every other day. But you don't heat it, just slurp down a small spoon. Not very tasty but what are you? Some kinda baby man who can't handle some nasty oil?
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/olli/class-materials/Nutrition_Immunity_Spr21_Session4.pdf explains it pretty well (just skip first part on gluten - majority of the pdf is about dietary oils).
tl;dr: Seed oils high in polyunsaturated fat = oxidized LDL cholesterol = clogged arteries
Food fried in seed oils high in polyunsaturated fat is especially problematic because the oils oxidize when exposed to high heat. Oxidized polyunsaturated fat = oxidized LDL cholesterol.
All seed oils aren't bad. Seed oils high in polyunsaturated fat exposed to heat = really bad.
There is some evidence that the polyunsaturated fat in seed oils can oxidize after being ingested, though.
Also: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/health/a-lifelong-fight-against-trans-fat.html >In the past two years, he has published four papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals, two of them devoted to another major culprit he has singled out as responsible for atherosclerosis, or the hardening of the arteries: an excess of polyunsaturated vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower — exactly the types of fats Americans have been urged to consume for the past several decades. >The problem, he says, is not LDL, the “bad cholesterol” widely considered to be the major cause of heart disease. What matters is whether the cholesterol and fat residing in those LDL particles have been oxidized. >“Cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease, except if it’s oxidized,” Dr. Kummerow said. Oxidation is a chemical process that happens widely in the body, contributing to aging and the development of degenerative and chronic diseases. Dr. Kummerow contends that the high temperatures used in commercial frying cause inherently unstable polyunsaturated oils to oxidize, and that these oxidized fatty acids become a destructive part of LDL particles. Even when not oxidized by frying, soybean and corn oils can oxidize inside the body. >If true, the hypothesis might explain why studies have found that half of all heart disease patients have normal or low levels of LDL.
This guy was one of the first scientists to discover how bad trans fats are. This article is him calling out oxidized polyunsaturated fat causing heart disease back in 2013, way before the anti-seed oil craze started.
What concerns me the most about this and Culinaly's population (weebs) is instant noodles. That shit is all fried in seed oil.
Y'all weebs need to cut down on the instant noodles.
I think the important part here is the oxidation of fatty acid chains and less the saturated/unsaturated argument. The biggest problem with cheap seed oils is that even before they get dowsed with hexane and degumming agents and deodorized they are subjected to tremendous amounts of heat while being pressed from their source. People bitch and moan about cooking with olive oil at high heat and conveniently ignore that these high smoke point oils have already been superheated beyond the point of oxidation. At their base state on supermarket shelves seed oils are already going to through your body into worse oxidative stress than some overheated cold-pressed oils.
Olive oil and butter will always be king. Fuck the great reset, I will never be a millenial soi homosexual bugman and use ~~*coconut*~~ or ~~*avocado*~~ or ~~*seed*~~ oils. Olive oil and butter will always be king. I'll filter and save the fat when I cook bacon too. FUCK THE NWO I RESIST
Serious question, how do you deep fry things? I normally use seed oil for that because I’m already in deep while deep frying but use butter or olive oil elsewhere
Also: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/health/a-lifelong-fight-against-trans-fat.html >In the past two years, he has published four papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals, two of them devoted to another major culprit he has singled out as responsible for atherosclerosis, or the hardening of the arteries: an excess of polyunsaturated vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower — exactly the types of fats Americans have been urged to consume for the past several decades. >The problem, he says, is not LDL, the “bad cholesterol” widely considered to be the major cause of heart disease. What matters is whether the cholesterol and fat residing in those LDL particles have been oxidized. >“Cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease, except if it’s oxidized,” Dr. Kummerow said. Oxidation is a chemical process that happens widely in the body, contributing to aging and the development of degenerative and chronic diseases. Dr. Kummerow contends that the high temperatures used in commercial frying cause inherently unstable polyunsaturated oils to oxidize, and that these oxidized fatty acids become a destructive part of LDL particles. Even when not oxidized by frying, soybean and corn oils can oxidize inside the body. >If true, the hypothesis might explain why studies have found that half of all heart disease patients have normal or low levels of LDL.
This guy was one of the first scientists to discover how bad trans fats are. This article is him calling out oxidized polyunsaturated fat causing heart disease back in 2013, way before the anti-seed oil craze started.
From how I understand things, the reason so many doctors/nutritionists say polyunsaturated fats are linked with a lower rate of heart disease is because the studies that came to this conclusion don't account for if the fats have been previously heated, as in frying.
>studies that came to this conclusion don't account for if the fats have been previously heated, as in frying.
So, it would be right to assume malicious intent? How would they come to that conclusion when most of these fats are being consumed by coating the foods they are cooked in?
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From how I understand things, the reason so many doctors/nutritionists say polyunsaturated fats are linked with a lower rate of heart disease is because the studies that came to this conclusion don't account for if the fats have been previously heated, as in frying.
>from how I understand thing >zero sources, literally from his ass >it's taken as fact immediately
yup, it's social media time
gossip and outrage that in the modern world takes place largely on the internet is constructed by a shady cabal for the simple purpose of keeping the general population busy. the topics are typically presented in a way that exaggerates consequences while being vague and ambiguous. for example: seed oil is bad, but by seed oil we mean vegetable oil, but by vegetable oil we mean soybean oil -- it's never clear what exactly the argument topic is, but thousands of retards will post and email endlessly without ever establishing consistent terms, and sometimes platform providers and moderation staff will profit from it
Seed oil is made by squishing a bunch of seeds and extracting the oil. This means many thousands of seeds (or olives) are needed to make a tiny bit of oil. And what that does is concentrate the little bits of bad shit into the oil to make a LOT of bad shit in the oil. Bad shit that causes bad things to mice and whatnot. PUFAs basically.
This video here shows the science.
Serious question, how do you deep fry things? I normally use seed oil for that because I’m already in deep while deep frying but use butter or olive oil elsewhere
Schizos being schizos. There is something to be said about the balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids that you might want to look into for health reasons. Disregard everything else.
What's really frustrating about this is how many people will just stick their heads in the sand about this because they perceive it as a right-wing talking point.
Like, really, have we really reached the stage where even fucking nutrition is politicized? Fucking stupid bullshit. Why does fucking nutrition have to be politicized?
Because when people talk about controlling money and media, they always leave food out when it is clearly the #1 thing everyone is unaviodably fucked by.
people perceive it as a right wing talking point because chuds can't go 3 seconds without sperging out about other stuff like
Olive oil and butter will always be king. Fuck the great reset, I will never be a millenial soi homosexual bugman and use ~~*coconut*~~ or ~~*avocado*~~ or ~~*seed*~~ oils. Olive oil and butter will always be king. I'll filter and save the fat when I cook bacon too. FUCK THE NWO I RESIST
Multiple highly controlled experiments on humans in the 20th century showed they may cause cancer and or heart disease. These were buried and misreported but were unearthed a couple years ago
majority of dietry information is bs, and this likely is too, but Culinaly gotta Culinaly and be just as absurd as the redditors and youtubers they claim to hate.
It's not seed oils in general is oils extracted using hexane. People think the hexadecimal and all the other chemicals used in extraction may not fully be gone and also most of those cheap shitty oils have a bad mix of fats and random other extracts. Cold pressed sunflower oil is a great lotion btw(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22995032/).
You get more hexane exposure standing at the back of a car for 2 mins than drinking a litre of seed oils.
Plus they do cold pressed canola and its like a $1 more.
It's essentially a movement of people who have been demoralized to the point where they have extremely low trust in society. These people have been conditioned to believe that "the elites" in general are all part of some sort of evil shadowy cabal who wants to hurt and enslave them. Anything "they" say is good for you, these people will do the opposite because they believe that this will help them avoid the evil plot of the elites to brainwash them with "science".
As for why seed oils in particular and why now? Mostly because the Russians are the ones behind the demoralization scheme in the west and one of Ukraine's major exports is sunflower seed oil. They are petty like that that they will use internet propaganda to try and manipulate demand for a commodity Ukraine sells just to suck a few more dollars away from the war effort.
Seed oils have been linked to heart disease and other negative health effects.
Most people believe they're a healthy alternative to cooking fats or equivalent to more naturally available oils, when they're not. They're also present in fucking everything.
Seed oil production is an industry firmly entrenched in society and it's not going away overnight, but discussing it and increasing awareness will make a difference.
It's overused in the industry and
is a real concern but in small doses it's a perfectly valid source of polyunsaturated fat. Just make sure to also consume cold pressed olive oil, butter and other fats in your diet.
They're perfectly fine apart from rapeseed oil which is always genetically modified (spread over the US and Europe during the '90s and can only be removed manually), is bad for your stomach and has a penetrating taste (which may be a good thing). Grapeseed oil and sunflower oil are perfectly fine.
outrage of the month
It blocks your body’s use of testosterone. So even if your test levels are fine, you’ll still end up an effeminate homosexual.
It's the current boogeyman hyped up by ketofags who wanna drink butter and grease and retards that saw a sentence in a single paper that said they might be bad
>Americans read something online
>Believe it
>Parrot it
Seed oils aren't food, they're industrial lubricants and biofuels.
water is used in industrial hydraulics, water must be bad! fucking retards
I didn't say that, I said they're not food. It's processed shit with shitloads of leftovers from processing. Go find out how that shit is made before posting ITT
>it's processed so it's not food
They're literally industrial lubricants. That's it, and it's verifiably true.
oils are lubes oh my GOD did you know i use olive oil to jerk my COCK
On functional cocks the skin slides up and down.
why are chuds obsessed with penises
why must you remind me that i was circumcised against my will...
Olive oil is a fruit oil, not a seed oil, homosexual.
I don't consume industrial byproducts.
The glowies invented a new petty stupid thing for us plebs to pointlesslly argue about. There is truth to it, but it's obfuscated by poor terminology and semantics.
On a practical level, different seeds are different. But most of them are unhealthy because they contain high levels of inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids, and/or were industrial waste to begin with that was processed with more toxic chemicals in order to make them into something vaguely edible.
tl;dr: If you care about your health stick to cooking with coconut, avocado, olive oil, butter and/or lard. Saturated fat isn't bad. Flaxseed oil is good but you can't really cook with it because of its low smokepoint.
>stored in the body for a long time
Where in the body?
Gonna ask my butcher about getting me a dromedary hump and see how weirded out she gets.
Flaxseed will make your girlfriend's boobs bigger. I've been using it when I cook for my gf she's gone from an E to G cup.
Imagine lying on the internet
Flaxseed has a lot of omega 3 to go with your omega 6. You can use it instead of eating fish every other day. But you don't heat it, just slurp down a small spoon. Not very tasty but what are you? Some kinda baby man who can't handle some nasty oil?
Plant omega-3 is useless. The body only converts something like 3-4% of it into EPA/DHA.
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/olli/class-materials/Nutrition_Immunity_Spr21_Session4.pdf explains it pretty well (just skip first part on gluten - majority of the pdf is about dietary oils).
tl;dr: Seed oils high in polyunsaturated fat = oxidized LDL cholesterol = clogged arteries
Food fried in seed oils high in polyunsaturated fat is especially problematic because the oils oxidize when exposed to high heat. Oxidized polyunsaturated fat = oxidized LDL cholesterol.
All seed oils aren't bad. Seed oils high in polyunsaturated fat exposed to heat = really bad.
There is some evidence that the polyunsaturated fat in seed oils can oxidize after being ingested, though.
Also: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/health/a-lifelong-fight-against-trans-fat.html
>In the past two years, he has published four papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals, two of them devoted to another major culprit he has singled out as responsible for atherosclerosis, or the hardening of the arteries: an excess of polyunsaturated vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower — exactly the types of fats Americans have been urged to consume for the past several decades.
>The problem, he says, is not LDL, the “bad cholesterol” widely considered to be the major cause of heart disease. What matters is whether the cholesterol and fat residing in those LDL particles have been oxidized.
>“Cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease, except if it’s oxidized,” Dr. Kummerow said. Oxidation is a chemical process that happens widely in the body, contributing to aging and the development of degenerative and chronic diseases. Dr. Kummerow contends that the high temperatures used in commercial frying cause inherently unstable polyunsaturated oils to oxidize, and that these oxidized fatty acids become a destructive part of LDL particles. Even when not oxidized by frying, soybean and corn oils can oxidize inside the body.
>If true, the hypothesis might explain why studies have found that half of all heart disease patients have normal or low levels of LDL.
This guy was one of the first scientists to discover how bad trans fats are. This article is him calling out oxidized polyunsaturated fat causing heart disease back in 2013, way before the anti-seed oil craze started.
What concerns me the most about this and Culinaly's population (weebs) is instant noodles. That shit is all fried in seed oil.
Y'all weebs need to cut down on the instant noodles.
I'm an otaku who loves Japanese culture and I never use instant noodles. I use japanese udon noodles that aren't instant.
Instant noodles are freezedried.
Maybe camping and prepper noodles are, the average instant noodles people here are buying are fried.
I think the important part here is the oxidation of fatty acid chains and less the saturated/unsaturated argument. The biggest problem with cheap seed oils is that even before they get dowsed with hexane and degumming agents and deodorized they are subjected to tremendous amounts of heat while being pressed from their source. People bitch and moan about cooking with olive oil at high heat and conveniently ignore that these high smoke point oils have already been superheated beyond the point of oxidation. At their base state on supermarket shelves seed oils are already going to through your body into worse oxidative stress than some overheated cold-pressed oils.
>the saturated/unsaturated argument
Meant to say the omega-3/omega-6 argument but whatever.
Olive oil and butter will always be king. Fuck the great reset, I will never be a millenial soi homosexual bugman and use ~~*coconut*~~ or ~~*avocado*~~ or ~~*seed*~~ oils. Olive oil and butter will always be king. I'll filter and save the fat when I cook bacon too. FUCK THE NWO I RESIST
Serious question, how do you deep fry things? I normally use seed oil for that because I’m already in deep while deep frying but use butter or olive oil elsewhere
I don't because only homosexualS deep fry things
cooking is for fags anyway, your point is pointless
Wrong. Self-sufficiency is masculine. Cooking is necessary for self-sufficiency. Thus cooking is masculine.
single beardsoy detected. My wife does all the cooking in my house.
>Doesn't know how to grill his own meat
I bet you're gonna say having your wife wipe your ass is masculine as well
Not that retard but I use lard.
Peanut oil
Couldn't you just use ghee for deep fryng?
tallow, refined coconut oil, ghee
>Olive oil and butter will always be king
Actually that's tallow and lard but the other two are still fine.
From how I understand things, the reason so many doctors/nutritionists say polyunsaturated fats are linked with a lower rate of heart disease is because the studies that came to this conclusion don't account for if the fats have been previously heated, as in frying.
>studies that came to this conclusion don't account for if the fats have been previously heated, as in frying.
So, it would be right to assume malicious intent? How would they come to that conclusion when most of these fats are being consumed by coating the foods they are cooked in?
>from how I understand thing
>zero sources, literally from his ass
>it's taken as fact immediately
yup, it's social media time
I'm from /misc/ and I have no problem with transexuals, that cunt you (you)'d could be from anywhere.
>Can't i just enjoy a single calm moment being trans???
There is one way to make the torment stop…
gossip and outrage that in the modern world takes place largely on the internet is constructed by a shady cabal for the simple purpose of keeping the general population busy. the topics are typically presented in a way that exaggerates consequences while being vague and ambiguous. for example: seed oil is bad, but by seed oil we mean vegetable oil, but by vegetable oil we mean soybean oil -- it's never clear what exactly the argument topic is, but thousands of retards will post and email endlessly without ever establishing consistent terms, and sometimes platform providers and moderation staff will profit from it
This video explains it perfectly
Simple.
Seed oil is made by squishing a bunch of seeds and extracting the oil. This means many thousands of seeds (or olives) are needed to make a tiny bit of oil. And what that does is concentrate the little bits of bad shit into the oil to make a LOT of bad shit in the oil. Bad shit that causes bad things to mice and whatnot. PUFAs basically.
This video here shows the science.
Beef tallow, that is what the good places use.
>Seed oil is made by squishing a bunch of seeds and extracting the oil.
You wish that's the only thing do.
Can you make Canola oil at home?
No. You need a factory.
Because it's not real food.
Pretty simple stuff. Just eat real food.
https://www.easyoilpress.com/canola-oil-press.html
I like to cook with baby oil.
Schizos being schizos. There is something to be said about the balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids that you might want to look into for health reasons. Disregard everything else.
What's really frustrating about this is how many people will just stick their heads in the sand about this because they perceive it as a right-wing talking point.
Like, really, have we really reached the stage where even fucking nutrition is politicized? Fucking stupid bullshit. Why does fucking nutrition have to be politicized?
Because when people talk about controlling money and media, they always leave food out when it is clearly the #1 thing everyone is unaviodably fucked by.
it was politicised the moment vegetarians tried to kill us all by getting rid of meat and making us eat soi and bugs
people perceive it as a right wing talking point because chuds can't go 3 seconds without sperging out about other stuff like
Because the only people who ever bring it up are stormfront schizos
the balance of omega fats is off so if you eat too much you get chronic inflammation which is a primary cause of cancer and other illnesses
that's basically the shortest explanation
Multiple highly controlled experiments on humans in the 20th century showed they may cause cancer and or heart disease. These were buried and misreported but were unearthed a couple years ago
majority of dietry information is bs, and this likely is too, but Culinaly gotta Culinaly and be just as absurd as the redditors and youtubers they claim to hate.
/thread
I would literally trust random homosexual on Culinaly more than that thing.
Do your part in turning 41% to 100%.
Do the needful, xir.
You have to be schizophrenic to understand
Everyone stopped listening to /misc/ whining about soy so now they've moved onto seed oil. That's it.
It's not seed oils in general is oils extracted using hexane. People think the hexadecimal and all the other chemicals used in extraction may not fully be gone and also most of those cheap shitty oils have a bad mix of fats and random other extracts. Cold pressed sunflower oil is a great lotion btw(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22995032/).
Hexane* God I hate phone posting so much.
You get more hexane exposure standing at the back of a car for 2 mins than drinking a litre of seed oils.
Plus they do cold pressed canola and its like a $1 more.
It's essentially a movement of people who have been demoralized to the point where they have extremely low trust in society. These people have been conditioned to believe that "the elites" in general are all part of some sort of evil shadowy cabal who wants to hurt and enslave them. Anything "they" say is good for you, these people will do the opposite because they believe that this will help them avoid the evil plot of the elites to brainwash them with "science".
As for why seed oils in particular and why now? Mostly because the Russians are the ones behind the demoralization scheme in the west and one of Ukraine's major exports is sunflower seed oil. They are petty like that that they will use internet propaganda to try and manipulate demand for a commodity Ukraine sells just to suck a few more dollars away from the war effort.
Seed oils have been linked to heart disease and other negative health effects.
Most people believe they're a healthy alternative to cooking fats or equivalent to more naturally available oils, when they're not. They're also present in fucking everything.
Seed oil production is an industry firmly entrenched in society and it's not going away overnight, but discussing it and increasing awareness will make a difference.
It's overused in the industry and
is a real concern but in small doses it's a perfectly valid source of polyunsaturated fat. Just make sure to also consume cold pressed olive oil, butter and other fats in your diet.
you dumb shit. stop advising people to eat fat, you don't need much fat. there's plenty of fat in unprocessed foods.
just don't eat fat. eat unprocessed starchy foods with plenty of fiber in them.
they're highly inflammatory and 0 nutrition
They're perfectly fine apart from rapeseed oil which is always genetically modified (spread over the US and Europe during the '90s and can only be removed manually), is bad for your stomach and has a penetrating taste (which may be a good thing). Grapeseed oil and sunflower oil are perfectly fine.
It's just Californian homosexuals crying about how everything is toxic and causes cancer.
People consuming a lot of premade, mass produced food made with canola and grapeseed oil experiencing negative effects.
All they've had to do is NOT consume a lot of it. But their dumb fat asses refuse to lay off of the junk food and coffee creamers.