Is this really supposed to be more efficient?

Is this really supposed to be more efficient? How many warehouses of bugs does it take to make a single cows worth of protein?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >remember the six billion

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is straight out of a dystopian film

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        anon he said China already

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is this more dystopian than doing this with cows, pigs, chicken, fish, etc.?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >dystopia is when bugs are food

          we spent thousands of years figuring out the best ways to keep roaches out of our food and you israelites expect us to want to eat it now?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >dystopia is when bugs are food

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until Ling Ling leaves the door open

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wtf i love turkish women now

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just cut out the middleman.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Makes me wanna go kosher.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Biggest joke is that insects are dependent on outer temperature for their temperature, so you have to HEAT the insect houses whereas normal pens for pigs etc are unheated.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not entirely true. pig and chicken barns are heated but im sure its not as sensitive as bugs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not all of them are heated. sometimes it's better not to. chickens in heated coops will die if the heating fails during the winter, but coops that were never heated will be fine. the heat makes them weak.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ever heard of a midwest winter?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is that like a cleveland steamer

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is this really supposed to be more efficient?
    You know, it's kinda interesting from an engineering standpoint at least.
    Given that you aren't really using farmland and you don't have to really care about ze bugs well-being, I wonder if you can just set one of these things up in a literal skyscraper style production facility and place it right in the middle of high density population centers.

    Which would make it one of the closest approximates to city living I can think of.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just dont see giant buildings being cheaper than a patch of grass in the middle of nowhere

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they're bugs so you don't need a sound structure, plumbing, or hvac. you could erect cheap as frick wicker bug breeding facilities right next to the homeless shantytowns.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cows destroy the environment, pollute rivers, release tons of methane, just one cow requires about 100 acres of land. not against eating meat it’s just very costly raising beef

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nice bait

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not going to look up the facts. But your false flagging doesn't even sound that inaccurate. When I drive past cow pastures in my area, they're massive fields with only 10-20 cows max.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            youre instincts are correct. 1 cow needs 100 acres if youre going for absolute ideal free range with no negative effects on enviroment. feed it hay and install a shit pond and one cow doesnt even need a tenth of acre to be humane

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >1 cow requires 100 acres
          The one I married is fine with a 200 sqft apartment.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            JeJ

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *high fives*

            Your lifetime carbon footprint will be around 16 tons. I'm perfectly fine with you dying to allow us to be carbon neutral for 3 cows. I'm also perfectly fine with enough of people like you dying to offset the entire beef industry.

            carbon footprint is a shit meme invented by corporations to pass of their wastefulness onto you, i do not fall for shitty psyops

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not to explicitly defend corporations, but you know, they don't just exist for fun, right? Everything is an extension of the consumer at the end of the day.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah they exist to misinform the public and shift the blame

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Explain how the notion of carbon footprint shifts the blame. If anything it puts more blame on petrol companies and companies using petrol as a resourxe (textiles, plastics, pharmacy,...)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your lifetime carbon footprint will be around 16 tons. I'm perfectly fine with you dying to allow us to be carbon neutral for 3 cows. I'm also perfectly fine with enough of people like you dying to offset the entire beef industry.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Totally not insane response

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >gigantic, electrified building on top of prime real estate
      >billions of dollars investment + millions per year in costs (who is getting this money?)
      >exorbitant interest payments (since who is paying $2.7 billion in cash to build a bug factory?)
      >processing using novel, untested technology, resulting in a very unhealthy, unappetizing powder that can barely be classified as a food additive
      >people subsisting on this material are guaranteed to become unhealthy, making them potential customers of pharmaceutical companies to "fix" their many, inevitable maladies
      vs.
      >a patch of dirt with grass growing in the middle of nowhere, on undesirable, cheap real estate that has been owned for generations
      >some guys on horses to herd them into low-tech barns to be slaughtered in traditional, low-tech ways
      >result is the most nutritious food available, which tastes great without any processing

      Gee, I wonder why the ~~*globalists*~~ want to ban meat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Gee, I wonder why the ~~*globalists*~~ want to ban meat.
        You actually have it ass backwards.
        ~~*They*~~ want you to keep eating their overpriced meat. Cargill alone is one of the biggest private companies in the world! You'd be an absolute fool to fall for their reverse psychology; ""le heckin globo-liberinos don't want you to eat le based-meat!!!""

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lol you're really pretending prime Texas ranching land is funding McDonald's and not Brazilians clear cutting the Amazon. The globalists you hate are eating the Texan steak, you get the Brazilian mystery beef

          What's the goal with posts like this? Are you trying to demoralize people into eating the bugs?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Some of the worst corporate boot lickers. Are the blind fools like you, who can't see you're licking the mud off of corporate boots.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol you're really pretending prime Texas ranching land is funding McDonald's and not Brazilians clear cutting the Amazon. The globalists you hate are eating the Texan steak, you get the Brazilian mystery beef

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the thing is, if someone leaves a gate open, the cows arent gonna ruin the area
      if one of these tofu dreg wienerroach farms collapses, enjoy the entire city now being inundated with a massive rockroach infestation that have specifically been bred to reproduce as fast and big as possible

      what do they eat

      refuse i imagine

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if one of these tofu dreg wienerroach farms collapses, enjoy the entire city now being inundated with a massive rockroach infestation that have specifically been bred to reproduce as fast and big as possible
        I wouldn't worry much about that. The thing about domestic breeding is that it makes livestock dumb and fat. They tend to suck at living outside of farms and only succeed when everything that hunts them have been wiped out.
        Something like a fat wienerroach would just become food for pigeons and would probably starve trying to compete with other roaches that actually live in the wild.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you know that insect breeding and farming has existed for 1000s of years, right?
        you've literally never heard of an insect farm having an outbreak.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what do they eat

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pound for pound, cricket has 2-3 times as much protein as beef. And they require alot less food and water per pound. A cricket reaches full size in only about 40 days too.

    While smaller creatures do usually eat more of their body weight per day than larger creatures, due to their higher metabolism. They also grow quicker. So on average, more of the food they eat in a day, actually goes into increasing their meat output. Instead of just keeping them alive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pound for pound, cricket has 2-3 times as much protein as beef.
      That seems unlikely. I can't find information for fresh crickets, only cricket flour. Comparing cricket flour to fresh beef is misleading. Just like that comparison of dry beans to fresh beef to make them seem like they have the same amount of protein.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        well flour is how its likely going to be eaten, fresh bugs might be a bit much even for the most loyal of goys

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah it's just misleading to compare it that way. Drying it out obviously raises the amount of protein by weight, but you're going to have to add liquid back in to prepare it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So how does cricket flour compare to beef jerky?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Beef jerky still has a high moisture content compared to cricket flour. But from what I can figure it's about the same. Cricket flour contains about 60% protein and beef without moisture is similar depending on the fat content.

              I read conflicting information about chitin though which is prevalent in cricket flour. Some people say it's an antinutrient that we can't really digest and absorb and makes it less nutritious than meat while others say it has health benefits.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're also comparing whole crickets (ground up into flour or otherwise) to just meat cut out of a cow. Instead of whole crickets to the whole cow; fur, skin, hooves, bones and all. Which is misleading and makes cows appear to have more protein per bodyweight than they actually do.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe the real answer is to start grinding up entire cows.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I agree. To make the a fairer comparison, we need to grind up whole cows alongside whole crickets. And dry both animal purees so they have the same moisture content.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >start
            Heh, you think that's just muscle and fat in your hamburger?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably. You don't need a lot of land and can build it vertically.
    Might require a lot of labour but perhaps it can be automatized.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its not its just another scam for "green" investors

    In absolute terms, yes a cricket is 2-3 times as protein dense as beef.

    However, the human body cannot process 80% of it as it is in the chitin, which we cannot digest. Just how corn has a lot of fiber and protien, technically, but given its in the indigestible shell of the corn kernels you'll never get it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could the cows digest the whole bug? Seems like a better use for them.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bugs seems to be more effcient for the feeding/growth ratio than cow, and they grow faster too.
    But is the nutrients bioavailability that good ? Didn't see much sudies about that, and it seems to be relatively poor due to chitin being the principal composant of bugs and being very hard to digest by human.
    They talked about a way to increase the bioavailability by processing the floor, but look like it's still far away of being the same as meat.
    Also, cow is one of the least efficient meat to produce, takes lots of space (even if it's pasture, aka non farmable land), very long time etc. Comparing bugs to chicken would be more accurate since they both grow fast and don't need much space.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not supposed to be efficient. It's just a trojan horse for plagues of locusts that destroy the real food.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is this really supposed to be more efficient?
    What? No, it's to make you eat bugs

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is disgusting, I'd rather eat human flesh than bugs.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the peta exposé will be devastating

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seeing lots of racism in this thread, so here's a friendly reminder that that is only allowed on /b/. Not reporting anyone, just be better please.

    Asfor the topic at hand, insect protein farmer does indeed have a very low carbon footprint and is cheaper than traditional livestock keeping. We'll probably see a lot lore of it in the near future if we want this planet to be sustainable for a growing global population. The biggest hurdle will be to convince people who aren't from cultures that already consume insects that this is a necessary change -- lots of research will likely be done to tailor the presentation and make it more suitable to different cuisines.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Instead of making a moral condemnation of someone's statement based on your personal feelings, why not address if it's true or not.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do they have a little machine that removes their poo sac when they are harvested?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    eating meat is selfish and evil. Insects help alleviate that, because they don't have feelings and are literally the same thing to your body. protein is protein.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >eating meat is selfish and evil
      and i love it

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    waiting for the biblical plague when one of these facilities 'accidentally' releases trillions of insects into a neighboring community

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until you hear about the number of parasites endemic to insect populations. If the bees aren't wiped out by Big Insecticide already, this will finish them off.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay cool, suppose bugs really are the solution to hunger, here's my question then:
    Why do we have to eat them with the exoskeleton on? Doesn't chitin cut up your intestines when it's finely ground or chewed on? Consider the closest thing we already eat, crustaceans. You don't just go "oi m8, i'm gonna chomp on this lobster innit" and eat the whole fricking thing like an apple. No, you empty the claws and the tail, maybe eat the tomalley if you're feeling adventurous. Why would bugs be different?
    >inb4 small
    Get bigger bugs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also, what's up with the presentation? Consider shrimp, when it's prepared properly they look perfectly fine! They look like food.
      But when people cook bugs, they just put them on top of things and go "here's bugs, eat".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I once burned a large spider and it smelled like grilled seafood.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's a humiliation ritual, not nutrition. A goyim who can be persuaded to accept bug-eating can easily be persuaded to give up other freedoms.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will eat a whole shrimp, shell and all, besides the head (because if it's served like that it's too much effort to peel, it just gives a bit of crunch anyways). Could you peel a roach shell like you peel a shrimp shell?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why would bugs be different?
      Well for starters unlike crustaceans bugs don't actually have any meat.
      Ever stepped on a roach? There's nothing inside except goo, and its fresh innards smell absolutely foul because humans evolved to avoid eating that shit.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not about efficiency, it's a humiliation ritual.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone who gets it.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is this really supposed to be more efficient?
    No, it's purely about rich sociopaths trying to find a new way to humiliate the plebs while establishing a new privilege for themselves they can revel in.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, strictly speaking, it is more efficient. But the efficiency is a pretext for the virtue signaling that is the actual purpose. Its primary purpose is to decrease your happiness and decline your quality of life because the people pushing this fetishize suffering as a response to the seeming inevitability of the problems we face as a species.

    Eating ze bugs won't solve global hunger. because we already produce enough food. Its a logistics issue. It won't solve global warming because livestock make up a relatively small share of global emissions and anything the West does will be completely overwhelmed by the developing world industrializing.

    What it will do, and will do well, is signal to certain groups that you are serious about the issue, and willing to suffer inconvenience and indignity to do something about it. Even if the act is futile. What makes this even better is that the absence of widespread availability makes the entire thing a thought exercise. You couldn't even transition to eating farmed insects right now if you want to, so the actual suffering is absent. The people pushing this get to virtue signal that they would suffer, without having to do it, like a would be war hero during peace time.

    So long as there are people who reject the bugs these think pieces and experimental farms, and twitter posters will continue, but if society didn't react with rightful suspicion and revulsion they wouldn't bother. They couldn't morally grandstand if that was the case. Personally I think the people advocating for this in my country should be executed publicly, because they overlap enough with the forces behind the plastic straw ban that they need to be exterminated as punishment.

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