>lard tastes like an animal
>olive doesnt mix well with a lot of foods
>seed oil kills u
what do
>lard tastes like an animal. >olive doesnt mix well with a lot of foods. >seed oil kills u
>lard tastes like an animal
>olive doesnt mix well with a lot of foods
>seed oil kills u
what do
have a nice day because none of it really matters unless the rest of your diet is shit or you have some oddly specific health problems. Stop listening to weirdos on the internet telling you to not do certain things or that you should enjoy specific things and be your own person.
It’s not weird to want to avoid seed oils. They aren’t fit for human consumption and the only reason they’re legal is because of greed and malevolence
Peanut and soy oil are the most common cooking oils used in four countries that are in the top five globally for life expectancy
So? They’re healthy in spite of it not because of it. If they stopped using those oils their life expectancy would go even higher
>If they stopped using those oils their life expectancy would go even higher
Nature has programmed you to start falling apart after around 40 years old. So enjoy mayo, nature will murder you far faster.
You have no source for that because you made it up
Is this true for Switzerland? I would have expected them to use sunflower oil more.
I didn't look it up before I posted but you're right. All five of the top countries use seed oil.
Neutered animals typically have a longer life expectancy.
Most of the keto people I know eat a ton of greens/vegetables/fruits.
>keto
>fruit
then that's not keto retard
I can eat fruit and stay ketotic
>lard tastes like an animal
Looks like you already found the perfect solution. Alternatively use brown butter.
>carboschizo strikes again
May be to due to ergotism
Seed oils are fine. I love sesame oil and Japanese people cook with it constantly and live to be 90s regularly.
They look like a common slavic woman can beat them up. When have you ever seen a japanese man with muscles in modern times?
Only pig fat, butter and olive oil should be used.
That is definitely because of the 1% of the diet they dedicate to sesame oil, and not because of their tiny portion sizes, complete lack of exercise, and extremely sedentary lifestyles. You solved it. It's definitely the seed oils.
Your Nobel Prize is in the mail right now, should be there by tomorrow.
>He fell for the seed oil meme
>poisoning yourself out of contrarianism
yikes
ironic for you to call that contrarianism
Its weird to think that
You fell for a fucking meme with zero evidence. In fact every actual study on the subject indicates the exact opposite of what you claim.
>In fact every actual study on the subject indicates the exact opposite of what you claim.
Then how do you explain the studies here?
>going on a troll crusade based on one misinterpreted line of 1(one) study
being a homosexual activist won't improve your life anon. The seed oils didn't make you a loser
>going on a troll crusade based on one misinterpreted line of 1(one) study
The post I linked to included 5 studies, anon. But let's pick one that seems pretty unambiguous:
>Higher omega-6 fat intake was associated with risks of squamous cell carcinoma (SCC), basal cell carcinoma (BCC), and melanoma. Omega-3 fat intake was associated with risk of BCC, but not with SCC or melanoma. No other fats were associated with melanoma risk.
How would you interpret this?
Clarified butter works too. Not ghee which is cooked a while and has kind of a nutty flavor. Clarified butter I just heat it up long enough to melt it, then strain it with cheesecloth
Olive oil isn’t great with everything, but it also quickly gets overpowered unless you’re doing very simple dishes or using a lot of it.
Butter as it makes everything better.
use ghee sir
i kept hearing people rave about how great ghee is for popping kernels so i tried it
made my whole apartment reek like pajeetistan and the popcorn sucked
Sucks to be you
Ghee. Do the needful.
butter
clarified for high heat
>lard tastes like an animal
I don't see the problem here.
Refined coconut oil, retard.
gutter oil
Avocado oil, we’ve been over this. Before you ask, it pretty much has no taste and a very high smoke point.
refined avocado oil is pretty much the same as refined sneed oil. Pure avocado is green and has a low smoke point
you're gonna die either way
you don't need any of them
you don't need hot pans
>the heat of the rice cooks the rest of the food
>concerns over life expectancy when the exponential acceleration of technology means we either die in 17 years to rogue AI or 40 years to billionaire elites razing the rest of the planets to upload their brains into computers and live forever
But because it's relevant: butter > duck fat > olive oil > lard > avocado oil > peanut oil > sunflower oil > coconut oil > canola oil > shortening
>using olive oil for cooking
>using avocado oil at all
>putting coconut oil that low
>putting sunflower oil that high
What the fuck is this list supposed to be? It's certainly not sorted by which fats are the healthiest, it can't be which are best for cooking, it's not by flavor...explain your reasoning.
olive oil for cooking
What are you talking about?
The top producers and consumers of olive oil (Mediterranean Europe) cook everything in olive oil
Who told you not to cook with it?
Mediterranean Europeans also don't eat deepfried goyslop, of course they can cook everything in olive oil.
I use grapeseed oil for stir frying and I'm okay, not overweight or anything. You don't even need a lot like they use in mass produced junk food.
Peanut oil has no flavor and while it's technically a seed oil but it lacks almost all the issues of the rest of them, it also has a high smoke point.
peanut oil tastes like peanuts which are legumes, not seeds. Everything about your post is wrong.
Peanut and avocado i guess. maybe
it does not taste like peanuts. everyone assumes it does though
Then why do five guys fries, which are fried in peanut oil, smell like fucking peanuts?
Because you're fucking crazy
>peanuts which are legumes, not seeds.
Legumes refer to the seed pods of leguminous plants such as beans, and peas. The part of the peanut that people eat is the seed.
avocado oil is very neutral, as is refined coconut oil
Butter
Sunflower seed oil is the traditional slav cooking oil. Imagine somehow thinking it is toxic after centuries of use.
>didn't exist prior to the late 1700s
>"traditional"
Are you retarded? There's nothing traditional about foods that have only existed for a few hundred years. That's a modern food, not a traditional one.
Americans think "modern" is the last t0 years, because they have no history.
Almost all traditional foods are younger than the 18th century you total nagger
Italians weren't even consistently eating pasta in the 1700s
>it's only been fine for several hundreds of years!
>we need thousands of years to be safe!
>it's only been fine for several hundreds of years!
What makes you think it's been fine? Cardiovascular disease rates have been rising along with increased PUFA consumption for decades.
A ton of other shit has also increased, like obesity, jobs where you only sit on your fat ass, etc.
>obesity
We've done this already:
>New UC Riverside research shows soybean oil leads to obesity
There's a ton of evidence out there supporting this conclusion:
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29877283/
>a high serum dihomo-γ-linolenic acid (DGLA), an omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid, was associated with obesity, body fat accumulation, a high alanine amino transferase level, and insulin resistance
People like to come up with all these convoluted explanations for the rise in obesity and cardiovascular disease while ignoring the fact that we have tons of evidence that PUFAs directly cause these things, and the objective fact that PUFA consumption has been increasing year over year while these and many other lifestyle diseases mirror its rise.
>almost all foods, even meat have much more than "trace amounts" of polyunsaturated fats
They absolutely do not. The post you linked wasn't me but he's right in that the nutrient content of animal products is reflective of what those animals eat. As far as your study goes, it claims that in grass fed beef containing 15.7% crude fat, 621mg of PUFA were found per 100g of meat. So out of the 15.7g of total fat in this 100g of beef, less than a gram is PUFA. That's a little under 4% of the total fat and I would consider that an insignificant amount.
>sesame oil has a well documented use for thousands of years
Sesame is a new world crop. Commercial sesame oil production didn't exist until the late 1700s and the sesame consumption that did exist in pre-Columbian America is irrelevant because we have no idea how it affected the health of the people eating it. People have historically eaten plenty of foods that weren't that great for them.
>Sesame is a new world crop.
lol no
Got me there, I was thinking about my response to
at the time and got sesame confused with sunflower, which is the new world crop I had in mind.
>was associated with obesity
Being a fat fuck is associated with obesity, just don't be a fat fuck.
There are a lot of components to obesity and one of those is energy expenditure. Raising or lowering your metabolic rate and how many calories your body burns can have a huge effect on your weight even if your caloric intake doesn't change. PUFAs absolutely fuck your metabolic rate and your thyroid and cause many of your normal body processes to become dysfunctional and sluggish and as a result, you burn less calories and gain weight.
This sounds a bit insane but a rat study showed that rats eating an extremely pro-metabolic diet (coke as their only liquid source, so huge amounts of sugar and caffieie) consumed FOUR TIMES as many calories as the other groups in the study but didn't gain any extra weight.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2913938/
>The caloric intake of the R group animals in this study was approximately four times higher than that of the L and C group animals. However, there was no significant difference in body weight.
This is a finding that has been repeated in other studies. A diet very high in foods that increase metabolic rate, such as sugar and caffeine, can raise the metabolism to the extent that you can quadruple your caloric intake without weight gain because your body is expending the extra energy.
CI:CO is absolutely fact, but people don't understand the huge influence your base metabolic rate can have. If a pro-metabolic diet allows you to eat massively increased amounts of food without weight gain, then it stands to reason that a diet that ruins your metabolism (which PUFAs are proven to do) can lower your metabolic rate to the point that you gain weight despite your caloric intake staying the same because your body is simply using less energy on a daily basis.
>PUFAs absolutely fuck your metabolic rate and your thyroid
>This is a finding that has been repeated in other studies. A diet very high in foods that increase metabolic rate, such as sugar and caffeine, can raise the metabolism to the extent that you can quadruple your caloric intake without weight gain because your body is expending the extra energy.
>the huge influence your base metabolic rate can have
We're all excited to see you link those human studies.
Human base metabolic rates only varies a couple of hundred kcals at most within the same sex, and there is no evidence that sugar significantly affects metabolic rates in humans. I honestly don't know about PUFA but I'm deeply sceptical until you prove me otherwise.
The RAT study you linked showed the total caloric intake over the entire period and concludes:
>The caffeine intake of the group R animals corresponding to 4.8 mg/kg every two hours was probably sufficient to offset the potential gain in weight that would otherwise have resulted from their increased caloric intake.
>>i-it doesn't count because it's a rodent study
>Weakest cope in existence.
Humans and rodent lineages diverged at least 75 million years ago. While studies on rodents are very informative and helpful, it's common sense that human studies are needed to corroborate, especially in nutritional science. I looked into it and studies on metabolic dysfunction on rats differ significantly just based on the species of rat.
>It's adorable
Are you upset?
I did read it. The reason they deemed it as probable that caffeine was responsible is that the source they cited for this claim studied caffeine and rats where caffeine was shown to have an outsized influence on rats compared to humans.
>Obviously part of that increased metabolic rate is increased activity levels, having the excess energy to move around more and burn more calories.
It was not mentioned in the study because they didn't control for that; Studying metabolic rate or obesity wasn't the main purpose of this study.
>and your BMR decreases by 7.7%, you're now burning 115 calories less per day, just as a result of keeping your body functioning
Oh the horror. One less can of coke.
You still haven't provided me with any links to human... or rat studies about how "PUFAs absolutely fuck your metabolic rate and your thyroid". Are you implying that PUFAs are responsible for an at least 7,7% decrease in BMR instead of let's say... endocrine disruptors? The latter (microplastics et al) has rock solid proof behind it.
>i-it doesn't count because it's a rodent study
Weakest cope in existence.
>The caffeine intake of the group R animals corresponding to 4.8 mg/kg every two hours was probably sufficient to offset the potential gain in weight that would otherwise have resulted from their increased caloric intake.
It's adorable that you posted this without reading the sentence directly above it:
> in humans, caffeine intake at a dose of 4 mg/kg every two hours alters both the basal metabolic rate (increasing it between 8 and 11%)
Past that, I think you're misunderstanding my post. Obviously part of that increased metabolic rate is increased activity levels, having the excess energy to move around more and burn more calories. Still, your BMR accounts for as much as 75% of your daily calorie expenditure and and 10% change in that number in either direction is huge. We know that average BMR has been dropping for decades:
>https://research.tilburguniversity.edu/en/publications/total-daily-energy-expenditure-has-declined-over-the-past-three-d
>Total daily energy expenditure has declined over the past three decades due to declining basal expenditure, not reduced activity expenditure
>Here we show that in both sexes, total energy expenditure (TEE) adjusted for body composition and age declined since the late 1980s, while adjusted activity energy expenditure increased over time.
The study above shows a 7.7% decline since the 1980s. If you're eating 2k calories a day and burning 75% of it just keeping your body running and your BMR decreases by 7.7%, you're now burning 115 calories less per day, just as a result of keeping your body functioning. That's a gain of roughly 1lb every 30 days just from a BMR decline of 7.7%. So if absolutely nothing else changes except that your BMR drops slightly, you're gaining at minimum 12lbs a year. Do this for a decade and you're 120lbs heavier not from eating more, not from exercising less, but literally just from a 7.7% lower BMR.
>That's a little under 4% of the total fat and I would consider that an insignificant amount.
Yet you fear the tiny percentage of oil in the pan, most of which is not absorbed.
That PUFA in the meat will get oxidized too BTW. Raw food idiots and nothing above boiling nuts have a point.
I'm just going to enjoy mayo, shallow fry in olive oil and occasionally eat some fries deep fried in sunflower oil. As long as you're not obese it will make nearly fuck all difference, nature wants you dead.
>Cardiovascular disease rates have been rising along with increased PUFA consumption for decades.
>anon's first encounter with dishonest statistics
Mortality rates are declining because we have far better treatment options (new surgeries, new drugs, etc) than we did 50 years ago. Mortality rates are not disease rates; they're just how many people die after developing the disease. People who develop cardiovascular disease have a longer life expectancy than they did in 1960 but that says nothing about the prevalence of the disease.
If you look at diagnosis rates, how many previously "healthy" people are now being told that they have some form of cardiovascular disease, you see a very different picture. You can see this reflected in rates of diagnosis for various types of cardiovascular disease but also in spiking health care expenditure for treatment of this disease. Part of that increase is the cost of new treatments and technologies but most of it is just a massively increased load of new patients needing treatment.
Sometimes it takes more than 10 seconds of googling to get the whole story, anon.
>The age-adjusted prevalence of heart disease in adults aged 18 and over decreased from 6.2% in 2009 to 5.5% in 2018. In 2019
>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/topics/heart-disease-prevalence.htm#
If you look hard enough, you can always find some government agency report that skews the statistics in their favor. Use your common sense, anon. Do you really think that rates of obesity in the U.S. could have increased by 70% in the past few decades but that massive increase wouldn't result in an increase in cardiovascular disease, something that we know that obesity causes? Obesity is increasing massively but obesity-related diseases are declining? No, I don't think so, especially when government agencies have an interest in showing a decline rather than an increase in the number one cause of death in the country.
>my charts are real, your charts are lies, and anyway you should just like use vibes
You're picking pulmonary hypertension because it's the one subtype (that affects maybe a dozen people in a million) that's going up, totally not to do with the opioid epidemic of course. Ischemic heart disease, the one that's actually relevant to the oxysterol mechanism you're talking about, is decreasing across all populations.
Most European culinary traditions don't become recognizable until around 1600-1700. Most culinary traditions in general shifted radically with the introduction of new world crops.
Seed oils are completely fine.
I wish retards would stop falling for dumb clickbait headlines written by even dumber journos.
Anon, I understand that you don't know how to engage with new information except to be contrarian but there is a huge amount of research showing that seed oils are incredibly toxic. The scientist who discovered how damaging trans fats are devoted the end of his life to researching and campaigning against seed oils.
Show me the actual research.
It's always the same study misrepresented by retarded journos that couldn't correctly interpret a 4th grader's biology project.
>spoon feed me again daddy please, i can't do it on my own
I don't give a single fuck about your health. If you want to poison yourself because you're too much of an edgy contrarian to do your own research then that's on you. I'll give you ONE and if you want heart disease that badly, feel free to ignore it.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3584645/
>eating tons of deep fried food is unhealthy
wew lad
Oh hey look you didn't actually read it, you just skimmed it looking for a sentence you could use to dismiss it. Well, like I said, if you want to poison yourself then that's all on you bro.
Please explain how this is relevant to seed oils
>inb4 muh spoonfeeding
Because as far as I can see your study doesn't do much to differentiate between sources of fat.
>Because as far as I can see your study doesn't do much to differentiate between sources of fat.
Because you didn't read it. If you really want to learn about a topic as complex as human nutrition then skimming papers looking for phrases you can use to "win" an argument is not going to cut it. And if you actually read the paper and you're still saying this then you didn't understand it, which means that you're not equipped to be having this debate.
This paper explains how oxidized lipids absorbed from the diet are the primary drivers of atherosclerosis and goes into detail on the exact mechanisms driving this process (the interaction between sphingomyelin and oxysterols, as per the title). Seed oils, specifically the polyunsaturated fats they contain, are by far the most prone to oxidation of all fats and frankly it's a matter of common sense (or common knowledge) that when we're talking about in vivo lipid or cholesterol oxidation, we're not talking about saturated fats.
It basically says oxidized polyunsaturated fatty acids can contribute to cardiovascular diseases.
Which is what you'll find the most in a restaurant's deep fryer, where oil rich in PUFAs is exposed to air for a long time and repeatedly heated.
In essence, eat less deep-fried food.
Most research actually shows that PUFAs are better for your cardiovascular health than saturated fats. But of course he doesn't mention that.
Or make your own fried food with tallow or ghee
Making your own fried food alone helps.
Since you'll probably won't have oil in a hot fryer exposed all day in your own kitchen.
Its also quite a pain in the ass and makes a mess so I just do it for special occasions and just don't eat fried foods the rest of the time. Most fried stuff tastes nasty once you've made your own in tallow or ghee
>Most research actually shows that PUFAs are better for your cardiovascular health than saturated fats. But of course he doesn't mention that.
I don't mention this because it isn't true. PUFAs are pure toxins at all levels and if you disagree you're either uninformed or have been misled by propaganda by the wide, wide range of industries that would be severely affected if vegetable oils were rightfully recognized as the threat to health that they are. Take a brief look at the history of the fight against trans fats, which were never used in a capacity even remotely close to the current use of vegetable oils, if you want an understanding of just how much pressure there is against governments and health organizations admitting the dangers of these foods.
Oxidation of polyunsaturated fats isn't something that's limited to deep frying or even to heat from cooking at all. Polyunsaturated fats are so fragile that normal digestive processes are sufficient to cause oxidation. This is doubly bad for foods that include PUFAs that have been heated, as they're oxidized via the cooking process and then even further during digestion, but it also means that there are no good PUFAs, no safe way to consume them. Even if they're completely pristine and stable when you consume them, they'll oxidize in your intestines and fuck you up regardless.
>https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2021/fo/d1fo02717d
>the digestion of roasted scallop caused significant oxidation of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) and release of free fatty acids (FFA) in the intestinal phase, which were positively related to aldehyde production.
Obvious buttergolem shill is obvious
The fuck kind of schizo babble is this supposed to be? If you have something to add to the conversation then let's hear it, otherwise fuck off. This is a thread for humans, not npcs.
>I don't mention this because it isn't true. PUFAs are pure toxins at all levels
Why are you lying?
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.108.191627
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8924827/
https://journals.lww.com/jcardiovascularmedicine/abstract/2007/09001/the_role_of_dietary_n_6_fatty_acids_in_the.11.aspx
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Omega3FattyAcids-HealthProfessional/#h7
You really want this? Alright, let's do it.
I'll preface this by saying that we both know that you just spent a couple minutes googling studies that sounded like they supported your beliefs and you haven't actually read any of the shit you posted. That's fine, I don't expect better, certainly not from Culinaly, but I'll read them for both of us, ok?
>https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.108.191627
This is an American Heart Association meta-analysis. This is a group well known to be shills for American food producers, specifically all the companies producing processed and premade foods packed with, you guessed it, dirt cheap vegetable oils. It references like 50 papers and I'm sure as shit not reading through them all. I posted a much more recent, actual study earlier in the thread
which describes in detail the exact biochemical process by which PUFAs cause heart disease so you'll have to excuse me if I dismiss a 15 year old U.S. government "we looked at the evidence and vegetable oils are totally healthy you guys" study.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8924827/
Here we have another review paper - aka not an actual study, just people cherry picking - from fucking Indians, no less. But we don't need to worry about that anyway because this isn't a study of dietary PUFAs anyway but of
>the effect of omega-6 PUFA supplementation
Again, I'm not sifting through the 50+ studies referenced but what you need to understand at this point is that a meta-analysis can say whatever the authors want it to say. It's literally some research group telling you
>yeah we read all the papers and this is what they say, you can totally believe us
cont.
>This is an American Heart Association meta-analysis. This is a group well known to be shills for American food producers, specifically all the companies producing processed and premade foods packed with, you guessed it, dirt cheap vegetable oils. It references like 50 papers and I'm sure as shit not reading through them all. I posted a much more recent, actual study earlier in the thread
Dude, even the study you posted cites AHA published works.
AHA runs the second most important cardiology journal in the world.
Just going "NOO they're totally shills" is not good enough.
>ignoring a ton of information and evidence to nitpick one irrelevant point
Small dick energy.
>Just going "NOO they're totally shills" is not good enough.
Then I guess it's a good thing that I immediately followed that up with a reference to a study posted earlier in the thread, right? Literally said they're shills AND here's a study that's 5 years more recent showing why they're wrong. And again, since I guess you missed it the first time:
>what you need to understand at this point is that a meta-analysis can say whatever the authors want it to say.
I don't know what you think the one study you posted proves but it's an in vitro model of eating scallop with bamboo leaves. What point do you think that makes?
Not even the same person you're arguing with, just genuinely confused what you think that adds to a discussion of population level nutrition.
>post 5 studies showing evidence for PUFAs causing or significantly contributing to obesity, diabetes, autism, alzheimer's, leaky guy and inflammatory bowel disease, breast cancer, and a wide range of skin cancers.
>replies ignore them to focus on petty irrelevant points
This is on the same level as dismissing someone because they made a typo. The evidence is there and frankly I don't understand why you people are so desperate to reject the idea that seed oils are bad for you. They're completely unnecessary, it's not like being told that meat or eggs or fruit are bad for you. There's no need to ever eat seed oils. The literal only thing you lose by cutting them out of your diet is the ability to eat processed food, fast food, shit that you shouldn't be eating regardless.
Why do you get so defensive over this topic? I really don't understand. Every time I see a discussion of this topic then there's one or two guys posting mountains of evidence and a bunch of people dismissing it for the pettiest of reasons. Why?
>Why do you get so defensive over this topic?
It's called the sunk-cost fallacy. They've spent so much of their life eating seed oils, and defending them that no amount of evidence will ever persuade them they're bad. It's best to just mock them relentlessly.
>catcha: FOR GOY TO ATE
Eggs are as bad or worse according to the posted papers. We're not spending hours responding to you for the same reason people say "sorry no thanks" to jehova's witnesses.
whats wrong with eggs
The first paper posted explains that oxysterol interactions are the primary cause of arterial damage from dietary fats, and eggs are a major source of oxysterols.
Because your insistent evangelism is annoying. I understand that this topic is for some reason existentially important to you, but no one else feels that way. Look, there are three qualitative populations here, and you aren't going to sway any of them: People that don't believe facts (if you find a way to persuade these people, please share it with the rest of the world), people that subsist on processed slop and deliveroo (they don't care), and people that cook as a hobby and understand the tradeoffs.
I'm not asking why people don't respond. I'm asking why the people who do respond are so aggressively defensive of a completely unnecessary food group that has been objectively proven to be very bad for you.
Nothing. The anon you're responding to is either a vegan with an agenda or is decades out of date when it comes to nutrition research. Decades ago (literal decades, mind you) some researchers thought that the high cholesterol content of eggs would translate into elevated blood cholesterol levels. It's since been proven that this is not the case and dietary cholesterol generally doesn't affect blood cholesterol, but some boomers are very attached to what they were told years ago and don't have the intelligence or capacity to assimilate new information.
>a bunch of people dismissing it for the pettiest of reasons. Why?
I simply will never believe clean refined plant oils can be unhealthy, so long as they're not a Frankenstein gutter-tier bottom-shelf blend.
>but muh science
Nutrition science flip flops constantly and I don't listen to them, it's especially funny when sneed oil doomsayers claim that past research is outdated without considering their own talking points will be outdated soon enough
>Then I guess it's a good thing that I immediately followed that up with a reference to a study posted earlier in the thread, right?
And that study that relies itself on AHA publications and clearly trusts it is proving that AHA are shills how?
>I posted a much more recent, actual study earlier in the thread
>
I don't give a single fuck about your health. If you want to poison yourself because you're too much of an edgy contrarian to do your own research then that's on you. I'll give you ONE and if you want heart disease that badly, feel free to ignore it.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3584645/
That's... not a study, it's a paper about the mechanism and then a bald assertion of the author's opinion. I don't even disagree with the guy but you put yourself at more risk of death every time you get behind the wheel of a car, making sneed oils your personal crusade on his behalf is a wild move.
>muh car risk
what midwits always forget is that it's a risk you at least partially have control over. why would i consciously eat sneed oils if it is bad for me? why would i drive carelessly?
I'm just telling you why it's seen as annoying behaviour, it's on the level of going to Culinaly to rant about high altitude radiation.
Have you cut eggs out of your diet?
I don't think they're wrong. They're just too focused on one subset of people who consume a shit ton. It's like saying eating a lot of steak will make you as constipated as John Wayne.
Lard, apparently
eat lard
what's the problem with it tasting like an animal? animals taste good
I put lard from bacon fat in my sourdough bread today and it tasted fucking great
Heard of butter?
>which will also kill you given enough concentration and enough time.
High fat diets in general are bad for you. You should be eating low amounts of fat but for the fat you do eat, saturated fats are by far the best for your health.
I have not, I eat around 4-5 raw egg yolks per week.
>saturated fats are by far the best for your health.
I find it incredibly funny that a lot of people think the opposite. They think seed oils are healthy and saturated fat is the evil. Media has done well in its job to brainwash people into eating unhealthy garbage.
That's what all the most recent studies found:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8092457/
I mean, it's not really surprising when you look at why companies use seed oils. They're incredibly cheap compared to traditional sources of fat. Look at the campaign against trans fats and how resistant food industries were to recognizing the blatant harm caused by this one class of fats. There are researchers who spent decades campaigning against trans fats before governments and health organizations finally took notice.
Seed oils are that same scenario, just exponentially bigger. If you go into a store it's almost impossible to find any kind of packaged or prepared food that doesn't contain seed oils. If you go out to eat, every restaurant is using them. If we banned them tomorrow, nearly every business that makes any kind of food would be affected. It's no surprise that there's huge pressure to sweep this under the rug.
Too real for Culinaly
>desserts/pastries - coconut oil/butter
>deep frying/breads/dressing - avocado oil
>frying eggs/breads/pastries - butter
lard should only be used for carnitas, cracklins or refried beans.
can eat quite a lot if its post exercise and stay ketotic as if that matters
ketones of 0.3mmol/l are not a cause for concern. stop being retarded
>ketones of 0.3mmol
Not ketosis
says who
Science.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6472268/.
science is not a person or entity
three roasties Victoria M. Gershuni, Stephanie L. Yan and Valentina Medici say so
literally just an arbitrary cutoff for no reason. thats not how the human body works
>moving the goalposts
>no argument
concession accepted
Ive been using rice bran oil recently, its very neutral, idk if its going to give me cancer though.
Just use light olive oil instead of extra virgin.
>https://journals.lww.com/jcardiovascularmedicine/abstract/2007/09001/
This is literally just an opinion piece in a medical journal from 16 years ago. Come on.
>https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Omega3FattyAcids
This isn't even an analysis, just a propaganda page from another American government agency talking up fish oil.
Now that we've gotten that out of the way:
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200117080827.htm
>New UC Riverside research shows soybean oil not only leads to obesity and diabetes, but could also affect neurological conditions like autism, Alzheimer's disease, anxiety, and depression.
>in a 2017 study, the same group learned that if soybean oil is engineered to be low in linoleic acid, it induces less obesity and insulin resistance.
>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19490976.2023.2229945
>The bottom line of our current study is that a soybean oil-enriched diet similar to the current American diet causes oxylipin levels to increase in the gut and endocannabinoid levels to decrease, which is consistent with IBD in humans
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229976090_Health_effects_of_oxidized_heated_oils
>Heat degrades polyunsaturated fatty acids to toxic compounds
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18636564/
>dietary patterns very high in omega-6 PUFA may promote breast cancer development.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29636341
>Higher omega-6 fat intake was associated with risks of squamous cell carcinoma (SCC), basal cell carcinoma (BCC), and melanoma. Omega-3 fat intake was associated with risk of BCC, but not with SCC or melanoma. No other fats were associated with melanoma risk.
I could go on for literal days but I think this is a nice sampling. We have evidence for PUFAs causing or significantly contributing to obesity, diabetes, autism, alzheimer's, leaky guy and inflammatory bowel disease, breast cancer, and a wide range of skin cancers. Do you need more?
cold pressed coconut oil
is canola oil actually le bad?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35866510/
This meta-analysis suggests that Canola oil may be even better than olive oil for your heart. Go for it, just make sure it's not one of the brands cutting with soybean or other oils.
it suggests nothing of the sort
The dose makes the poison. Eat anything you want but in moderation. Oxygen itself is highly toxic and literally causes cancer. Yet, we breathe it.
Here, retard
WTF palm oil is actually pretty based?
It's a lot better than most vegetable oils but 10% PUFA content is still a significant amount and you're better off using fats that contain as little as possible. But yeah, the current fad for manufacturers of processed foods to switch cheap seed oils for even cheaper palm oil may accidentally improve the health of people who eat a lot of slop.
the oil comes from palm fruit, like olive oil is a fruit
>but 10% PUFA content is still a significant amoun
lard (animal fat) as shown by the graph has about the same amount, you neurotic retard
>lard (animal fat) as shown by the graph has about the same amount, you neurotic retard
Do you have a point? Lard is specifically pig fat btw, not "animal fat".
I don't think you understand what I'm asking. No one is being evangelized to here; it's literally a thread about the subject and I'm asking about the motivation of some of them people joining it and arguing against me.
>The first paper posted explains that oxysterol interactions are the primary cause of arterial damage from dietary fats, and eggs are a major source of oxysterols.
I posted that paper and you need to read it again if you think that's what it claims. The scientist who wrote it was heavily in favor of egg consumption.
I've read it before, I don't think it's a particularly good summary paper to link to people coming to the topic new because it completely elides several of the causal links.
>I'm asking about the motivation of some of them people joining it and arguing against me.
>it's literally a thread about the subject
The OP already starts from the premise that seed oils are bad. You're rocking up with a dozen links ready to go and a haughty attitude about the unwashed masses you supposedly deign to educate, it sure feels like evangelism.
He doesn't even seem to be a "seed oil = bad" guy.
He seems to be a carnivore schizo who hates all vegetable oils.
>You're rocking up with a dozen links ready to go and a haughty attitude about the unwashed masses you supposedly deign to educate
The links I posted were in response to someone else doing it first
and calling me a liar while they did it. I am always more than happy to match the energy of people responding to me.
I think you're conflating a bunch different posters. I've never said anything about meat and I'm absolutely a "seed oil = bad" guy. If I had to label my own diet I'd call it something like "modified fruitarian", in that most of my calories come from fruit with nutrient-dense animal foods like eggs and organ meats as a supplement.
I'll hold my hands up if it's not you but I'm just following the reply chain back and if this
is how you enter a thread you don't then get to cry foul about how combative the replies are.
You do know that fruits also contain PUFAs, right?
What are you even referring to, some weird outliers like avocados or palm fruit? Yeah, I'm well aware of their fat composition and I don't eat them. If I'm eating any kind of fat then it's going to be from something like liver or eggs.
>b-but eggs
The PUFA content of eggs varies wildly depending on the diet of the chickens that produce them. Eggs from sweatshop chickens fed a diet of grain and seed oil obviously reflect that in their fat composition. Eggs from chickens that spend their time outdoors foraging for bugs have little to no PUFA.
I don't care about the replies being combative. Being combative on Culinaly is the best way to get people to engage with you. What I was asking (and now I'm wondering why you're so hung up on answering the wrong question) was why people are so defensive of seed oil consumption specifically, since it's a completely unnecessary food group. I understand people resisting claims like "meat is bad, eggs are bad, carbs are bad" because these are major food groups that people enjoy eating. No one enjoys eating seed oils in and of themselves and there are no foods that couldn't be made identically using different fats. The only time they're ever actually necessary for a dish is stuff like chinese food using sesame oil for flavor.
I already got a sensible answer
so I'm not sure what we're doing here.
>What are you even referring to, some weird outliers like avocados or palm fruit?
Nah, completely common fruit like apples, bananas, strawberries, etc. contain PUFAs.
Yeah, I'm not worried about the tiny trace amounts of fat in normal fruit. Apples have 0.17g of fat per 100g and if a fraction of that is PUFA, I'm not worried about it. The majority of that fat is in the seeds anyway and they're passing right through without being digested.
>Nutrition science flip flops constantly
If you only interact with it via media headlines, sure. If you're actually reading studies yourself then there's nothing confusing.
>your neurotic schizoid diet bullshit
As I said earlier, what's the problem here? Not eating seed oils is not some extreme diet; there are no foods that require them. Literally the only thing you need to remove from your diet if you want to avoid seed oils are processed foods. There are virtually no traditional foods that rely on them. There are many other cooking oils you can use, many other fats you can add to recipes.
This is a food group that didn't exist until industrial production techniques made it possible to extract oils from seeds on a large scale. If we went back even 100 years, it would be incredibly rare to find anyone using them. What's the big deal? Are you really just that attached to mcdonalds?
you're moving the goalpost or whatever from "If I'm eating any kind of fat then it's going to be from something like liver or eggs" to this
almost all foods, even meat have much more than "trace amounts" of polyunsaturated fats. in fact, contrary to your(?) statement
some evidence suggests grass fed beef has higher polyunsaturated fat content than grain soy slop fed ones (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8728510/)
in addition, sesame oil has a well documented use for thousands of years. and fish usually contain high amounts of polyunsaturated fats. but again, i do agree with the sentiment on processed seed oils, it's just that you've blown it all out of proportion
cardiovascular disease rates have been rising along with obesity rates
you know that regions that the regions with the most centenarians don't engage in your neurotic schizoid diet bullshit? i get the point about processed seed oils, but your rampage against all polyunsaturated fats hold no weight
all symptoms of the rootless, confused mutt devoid of (food) culture
The underlying motivation of sneed oil panic is a shallow countermeme against vegans, because modern people are only capable of pathologically prosocial or pathologically antisocial behavior with no moderation at all
So on one side you have gay brown trannies pushing plant based (anal-friendly!!) diets, and on the other you have obese carnivore tard-truck drivers with long covid brain damage larping as people of integrity
Lord save me from this HELL
amen, couldn't have said it better myself
>why people are so defensive of seed oil consumption specifically
Probably because if it's as bad as you say then everyone should be dying from its consumption, which isn't true at all. Even if it is true that they're bad for you, they have a far less then 1% effect on your health which isn't any reason to be such a homosexual about it.
I'm Orthodox, and know many normal people which fast in that way including me. It's not just for monks.
I'm Orthodox too and most people I know don't fast on water, they still use cooking oil when fasting.
Then again my mom's side of the family thinks fish is valid fasting food, so what do I know lol
I think it depends on the rite that you practice. My family was previously in the western rite and they don't forbid oils, only meat and any meat byproducts (stock/broth, etc). But now that we're eastern rite we will observe the fast that forbids oils as well.
Things can be bad for you without killing you btw.
>What I was asking (and now I'm wondering why you're so hung up on answering the wrong question)
No one is championing seed oils for the sake of seed oils, they're responding to your tedious attitude with the easiest way to rile you up. I am explaining to you why people are doing what they're doing. I don't know how to make this simpler.
Lard is specifically pig fat, and pigs in the US are fed literal trash, and soybeans. Commercial pork products should be avoided as if they were injected directly with PUFA, because they basically are. Butter and beef tallow contain comparatively tiny amounts of PUFA even in grain fed products due to cows being ruminants that can digest grain better, but grass fed is always preferred.
Palm oil is bad for environmental reasons. Killing the orangutans and shit.
based on this coconut oil looks good but how does it taste?
tastes terrible though
and considering how the merchants have taken to shoving it into every food over the past couple years I can't help but to wonder if it's safe for consumption
>for even cheaper palm oil may accidentally improve the health of people who eat a lot of slop.
is it just cheaper, is that the reason?
>is it just cheaper, is that the reason?
Yep, that's about it as fat as processed food producers are concerned. Palm oil comes from poor tropical countries and as a result is cheap as shit.
>how does it taste?
Depends on where coconut oil is produced from, but for me coconut oil + egg gives a good aroma.
Keep in mind, coconut oil + baking soda are the swiss army knives of toiletries, less bloat and more healthy
how is it for cooking meat? I mostly use butter as beef fat is hard to come by here
Palm oil is fine. They use it because it’s cheap, and highly saturated so it keeps well and can be used in recipes that would normally call for more expensive solid fats like butter.
I've noticed that just about every snack that I used to enjoy that has changed to palm oil now tastes like shit
I guess good for me since I don't need to buy them anymore, well I've been eating low carb so I haven't exactly been buying snacks like that lately anyway
I would love to use coconut oil, but eating a burger that tastes like coconut is a bit offputting.
What the fuck do you need to use oil for when frying a burger?
olive oil is a seed-oil, buddy.
>source?
>yeah here you go
>d-doesn't count
every fucking time
oilive oil is a seed-oil; its derived from the pit of the olive
false
Go back
What's the healthiest oil? Is it EVOO?
People in the West who eat a Mediterranean diet have longer lifespans than others. Do what you will with that information.
Yes. But butter, lard, tallow, and coconut oil in moderation are fine, too.
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you should not really be using oil at all for anything.
So what, do you just boil all of your food in water?
There's a form of Orthodox Christian fasting where you only eat plant products cooked without any oil, and yes, you are effectively stuck with boiling and baking.
Fittingly enough, the premise of this diet is to purposely eat the most bland possible food in order to detach yourself from the distractions of the everyday world.
Practically nobody besides monks does this level of fasting, for obvious reasons
So polyunsaturated fats are the issue with seed oils? Peanut and sunflower oils shouldn't be much worse than olive and avocado then.
>what do
Stop believing memes.
The seed oil schizo shit primarily seems to come from carnivore and peat schizos.
I primarily cook with butter, olive & coconut oil but I won't shy away from some other oils if a recipe calls for it from time to time, and it certainly won't kill me. Just avoid hyper-processed slop.
Just pure autism all the way down. Shut the fuck up and learn to enjoy food and stop hating yourself.
I think the point is to wake up the people who're consuming them way too much, it's not schizo they're for real bad for you and as always anything can be bad for you in large quantities.
the problem is people conflate the bad habits with the food itself being terrible for you
a high quality sunflower oil isn't necessarily bad for you
but eating a ratio of 1:50 omega 3/6 over a long period of time will do bad things to your health, if this is the intention great but people phrase it badly
also I'm sure there's a difference between the corn oil that's reheated 500x a day in some fast food chain boiled to 500c and that same oil bought at a high quality health store, properly cold-pressed etc.
just my opinion!
>also I'm sure there's a difference between the corn oil that's reheated 500x a day in some fast food chain boiled to 500c and that same oil bought at a high quality health store, properly cold-pressed etc.
There's really not. Studies have shown that many of the negative health effects of seed oils are caused by the oxidation that occurs when they're exposed to high heat and this happens regardless of the quality of the oil or how many times it's been reheated.
Regardless, other studies have shown that your normal digestive processes are sufficient to cause these fats to oxidize so even if you're eating "high quality cold pressed" sunflower oil that you swallow cold, after you eat it then it's going to be oxidized the same as corn oil from a fast food deep fryer. These fats are damaging because of their chemical composition, not their source. You may as well say that cyanide isn't that bad for you so long as you're eating organic, cold-pressed cyanide.
saw grass-fed Ghee at my local 99cent store today, on sale for $3 each. i didn't want to get it because last time i tried cooking with ghee it splattered a lot. i just never learned how to use it. but yea maybe look into something like coconut oil, it's not a seed oil but technically coconut is a seed.
>because last time i tried cooking with ghee it splattered a lot
I've had the same experience. It doesn't seem suited for cooking even at medium heat. Not really sure what else I'd use it for.
What do you mean it splattered a lot? When you put food in it starts splattering, or just putting it in the pan caused it to start splattering? I make my own ghee and never had any issues. If it splatters when you're shallow frying, or searing a peice of meat that's not really avoidable with any type of oil.
>If it splatters when you're shallow frying, or searing a peice of meat that's not really avoidable with any type of oil.
In my experience the level of splatters is on a whole different level though I've only used the store bought kind. The box even said it doesn't splatter lmao. Normal butter splatters way less. Using ghee it was like a huge amount of really tiny splatters.
you type like a vegan, fuck off
>lard tastes like an animal
how is that a bad thing? I cook a pound of bacon for me and my wife every sunday (really crispy, almost burned, so all the fat renders out) and then save the grease to use as cooking oil for the rest of the week. I've been doing this for years. Lard is much healthier than other oils, even olive oil. Your body knows exactly what to do with it.
Tallow, all day, every day. CC oil where it makes sense.
Just use non stick brah. Taste the food not the oils and fats.
Yes I love the flavour of Teflon and so many extra vitamins come off into the food too. Its great.
>It’s not weird to want to avoid seed oils. They aren’t fit for human consumption and the only reason they’re legal is because of greed and malevolence
precisely
Completely retarded. Heart disease like cancer is caused by old age. Not by a shift in oil consumption. Nobody bought seed oils in 1924, 99.8% of people didn't have money for cutlery or napkins even. Nor did they have time or opportunity to visit a cardiologist (there weren't any).
>Eat food filled with seed oils
>Feel like shit
>Eat food filled with animal fats
>Feel like a Greek God
What did my body mean by this?
This. I stopped eating any sort of cheap industrial oil sold as food over a decade ago because I made the connection between eating them and feeling like shit myself. Also, just smell that shit straight from the bottle. Stick your nose in there and take a big whiff. It literally like a combination of bleach and gasoline (technically more like hexane due to being used as the solvent, but most people are familiar with the smell of gas.)
>Your brain on placebo.
>>Eat processed food
>>Feel like shit
>>Eat normal food
>>Feel better
>What in the flipping flapping?????????
>Ugh, you use seed oils? Don't you know that's bad for you?
>Btw I use Olive oil, the most tampered with food product currently in existence
Man food is so much better and I feel so much healthier after I bought all this green-dyed canola oil that labels itself "Extra Virgin Olive Oil"
>you shouldn't do anything, because you might get tricked!
Not everyone is a retard with learned helplessness like you. It's not hard to do a modicum of research and find olive oil from reputable sources that you can verify are legitimate. Also if you can't distinguish genuine unfiltered EVOO from canola with food coloring you are potentially brain dead.
Okay anon, which olive oil do you personally choose to consume? 🙂
or you could just live in a country where the products are legally required to list what they were actually made from
Hmm, should I move to a foreign country leaving all my friends and family behind just so I can get different olive oil, or spend like 5 minutes looking into a brand of olive oil to make sure its genuine before purchasing it? Tough choice.
your friends and family suck, mutt
Why are you pretending to know anything about an anonymous persons friends and family on the internet? All because of an argument over olive oil? What a sad pathetic little cretin you are.
no you should move to a foreign country because america is a shithole and they poison you with the food they sell
Just buy olive oil from California
ywnbaw
I know homosexual, stop worrying about my dick
Just buy olive oils with NOOAA, Applied Sensory or COOC certification on the label. These olive oils have been lab-tested and certified as genuine.
Olive oil is 10% polyunsaturated fat. Anyone who's avoiding seed oils but eating olive oil is a moron who doesn't understand why seed oils are bad for you.
>Raw food idiots and nothing above boiling nuts have a point.
Are you ok, anon? Are you having a stroke?
>my charts are real, your charts are lies
Yes. You need to use a heavy dose of common sense when engaging with modern health studies and statistics because there is a huge amount of pressure in all areas to falsify results. This is a very easy example: we know that obesity is skyrocketing, we know that obesity is a huge risk factor for cardiovascular disease, but rates of cardiovascular disease are dropping? Does that make sense to you? Remember that CVD is the number one cause of death in the U.S. and the agencies reporting a decrease in CVD prevalence are the same ones tasked with providing medical and nutritional guidance to the public, with the aim of improving public health. If they publish statistics showing the #1 cause of death getting worse, people will lose their jobs.
These are the exact same agencies that spent decades denying that trans fats were unhealthy. They're not your friends and they're not being honest with you.
>Olive oil is 10% polyunsaturated fat. Anyone who's avoiding seed oils but eating olive oil is a moron who doesn't understand why seed oils are bad for you.
I'm a grug brain who doesn't like seed oils because I noticed they made me feel like shit. I've enjoyed watching you BTFO seed oil shills in this thread, but I have to push back a little on this one point. I think olive oil is fine as long as you take the time to make sure the olive oil you're using is genuine. Olive oil has a lot of antioxidants that counteract the oxidative damage that is typically caused by PUFA from what I understand. If you can give me some sources that show why olive oil is bad I would be grateful, but in my experience good quality olive oil is great, and doesn't make me feel awful like other vegetable oils.
You think olive oil is "fine for you" because you've been exposed to literal decades of aggressive marketing from olive oil producers and studies that have shown a benefit from comparing olive oil to seed oils. Yes, if you stop eating a higher PUFA content oil like canola oil (28% PUFA) and replace it with a lower PUFA content oil like olive oil (10% PUFA) then you've reduced your PUFA intake by 18% and you'll absolutely see health benefits from this. Olive oil is a hugely profitable industry, to the point that many criminal organizations put a huge amount of time and effort into producing and selling fake or adulterated olive oil, and that industry has very aggressively amplified these types of studies (olive vs seed oil) while ignoring ones that compare olive oil to fats with little to no PUFA, or ones that simply look at the effects of consuming less fat altogether.
Seed oils aren't bad because they come from seeds or because of how they're manufactured or anything like that. They're bad because of the chemical composition of the fatty acids they contain and those fatty acids are bad for you regardless of whether they come from seeds or olives or fatty fish.
>muh mediterranean diet
Here's a nice example of that marketing I was talking about. People, especially older people susceptible to this kind of thing, saw some headlines 15 years ago about how healthy people who eat a lot of olive oil are and they just accepted it without investigating any further.
Did you know that the original study that this theory was based on was later retracted?
>https://qz.com/1305718/the-science-behind-the-mediterranean-diet-might-be-flawed-thanks-to-a-retraction-of-a-major-study
>In 2013, the New England Journal of Medicine published a landmark study that found that people put on a Mediterranean diet had a 30% lower chance of heart attack, stroke, or death from cardiovascular disease than people on a low-fat diet. It received massive media and public attention when released, and since has been cited by 3,268 other scientific papers. The study had tremendous impact on the field of nutrition and health science. Yesterday, however, the journal retracted the study-providing a new reason for skepticism about how effective the now-popular Mediterranean diet really is.
>The end result is that the study’s overall findings are still accurate in one sense: There is a correlation between the Mediterranean diet and better health outcomes. But in another sense, the paper was entirely wrong: the Mediterranean diet does not cause better health outcomes. That might seem like a minor difference, but in the world of medical science, it’s incredibly significant, and the change robs the study of much of its original power.
This is why it's dangerous to rely on headlines and single studies if you're serious about your health. People in the Mediterranean living longer than people in Nordic countries could be the result of a huge range of factors - even something as basic as exposure to sunlight can massively affect your health. They live longer in spite of their diet, not because of it.
>Olive oil is 10% polyunsaturated fat. Anyone who's avoiding seed oils but eating olive oil is a moron who doesn't understand why seed oils are bad for you.
Meds who eat tons of olive oil instead of butter and lard like their Northern cousins live longer.
Right, it's not like there are tons of people studying the obesity paradox and clear distinctions between bmi as a marker and actual adipose deposition, it's just because the FDA is part of the seed oil conspiracy. I regret even giving you the time of day.
>Are you ok, anon? Are you having a stroke?
Idiots who only eat raw food and nutty people who don't use any cooking methods above boiling have a point.
If you worry about the tiny bit of transformed PUFA in shallow frying you really shouldn't be using any high temperature cooking.
Low Advanced Glycation End Product diet, it's really the final destination for those who fear oxidized PUFA. Otherwise you're just using half measures.
>tastes like an animal
What did he mean by this? The pig is one delicious animal
doesnt mix well with a lot of foods
Then you're not eating real food.
>It kills you
Who wants to be elderly?
>lard tastes like an animal
Ok?
>olive oil doesn't mix well with a lot of foods
and it mixes well with a lot of others, sounds like a (you) issue
>what do
don't be retarded but since that's clearly off the table your next best bet is clarified butter
Avocado oil tastes neutral and is healthy
why do you need oil?
massive mafia scam. 'hurr pour literal litres of this shit down your throat and you'll of course live to 100 like in those Med islands lol'
most fat comes from the meat and veg themselves
i use olive oil for everything sometimes i even drink a shot of extra virgin olive oil for breakfast if im lazy
peanut oil? coconut oil is pretty tasteless. It depends on what you're trying to make.
Ghee or Tallow are the goat
>buttergolem opinion discarded
No thanks fatass. I'd rather not die in my 40s.
Better stop guzzling soybean oil then considering it's proven to be far more obesogenic and diabetogenic than any other type of fat.
>contrarianism
>ketolard
>low IQ
All of these things have a common denominator. Stay fat and die young you saturated fatass.
Why do you retards always associate being against seed oils with keto? It makes absolutely zero sense. I don't think I've seen anybody in this thread advocating for keto. I eat plenty of fruits and vegetables that are not keto. I use honey and even small amounts of refined sugar on occasion. No ones saying that seed oils are the root of all evil causing every disease known to man, but it is contributing significantly along with all the other hormone disrupting and cancer causing chemicals that we are exposed to on a daily basis. The difference is that eating seed oils is 100% voluntary. Unless you're being imprisoned and force fed goyslop you have absolutely zero reason for eating seed oils other than being a gullible idiot.
>No ones saying that seed oils are the root of all evil causing every disease known to man
Schizos say that exact thing repeatedly every day on this board in every thread you homosexual. We associate you retarded homosexuals with another group of retarded homosexuals because you're all retarded homosexuals and we're sick of listening to your retarded homosexualry.
>i have an extremely limited vocabulary
it's not that hard anon. avoiding vegetable oil is simply not a 'keto' practice. learn some new words
You are fat
nope, but even if I was it wouldn't be from eating too little fat.
I could use every word that has every existed in the English language to explain to you why people don't like you, but at the end of the day you'd still be a schizo retard obsessed with seeds so why in the fuck should I bother?
i'm not the one talking about oil all day, schizo
>i'm not the one talking about oil all day, schizo
>He said, in a thread about oil where he won't stop posting about it
i've said zero about it, i've only commented on the phenomenon of people calling vegetable oil reduction a ketogenic practice
Whatever you say, ketoschizo
>I could use every word that has every existed in the English language to explain to you why people don't like you
and there it is. the appeal to conformity regardless of logical merit.
Lol I'm so fucking glad I'm the opposite of whatever the fuck you are. Weak, broken cunt.
>No ones saying that seed oils are the root of all evil causing every disease known to man
one anon in this thread actually is, even blaming it for obesity (you? in that case you're moving goalposts again). in addition to that, he blames all polyunsaturated fats in all amounts, while omega-6 is the one causing problems if you consume too much, wrong ratio. anyone doubting, assuming that it's some schizo shitcan look at any mainstream health site (healthline, webmd etc) nowadays and see there is a section with associated risks. there is definitely a case to be made there
indeed, soybean oil is probably bad just from that aspect, ignoring that it's also heavily processed and may have other harmful compounds in large concentrations because it's extracted. the us heavily subsidizes soy and corn production
that said, nutrition science constantly flip flops and is a total joke. in addition to the reproducibility crisis, there's so many factors involved that throwing around singular studies or whatever prove nothing on their own
a good discussion is not about parroting whatever some Dr. Soystein P. Reviewberg sniffing his own farts has to say. actually read and understand the studies and make your own assessment, and not just those you agree with
>i don't know anything about the topic but let me lecture you about it anyway
there are actual studies posted in this very thread in support of everything you're claiming is schizo nonsense
meanwhile your only rebuttal is a vague appeal to mass media and your own addiction to fast food
truly embarrassing
read my post again you fucking retard
>and your own addiction to fast food
it really is about that, isn't it? i never thought about it that way.
look, nobody is actually going to force you to stop eating your junk food, you can relax. we're just trying to discuss among ourselves some strategies to improve our health. for most people, reducing their fat intake is a big help, especially those fats that don't come with other nutrients at the same time.
enjoy your doritos and cheese dip anon, i sincerely don't want to take your rights to do that.
>it really is about that, isn't it? i never thought about it that way.
Yep, when you take a step back and think about it, seed oils are completely unnecessary. You don't need them for any kind of home cooking since there are plenty of other fats you could be using instead. Aside from specific situations like Chinese cooking using sesame oil for flavor, cutting seed oils out of your diet shouldn't make any difference to what you eat...unless you eat a ton of processed food.
For people whose diet is mainly processed and fast food, cutting out seed oils would mean that virtually everything they eat is no longer acceptable. For them, it's way more extreme than even something like not eating meat or grains or sugar. I've always assumed that the people who are so aggressively defensive when it comes to this topic are the ones who are just rejecting the possibility that all the junk they eat might be even worse for them than they thought.
>I've always assumed that the people who are so aggressively defensive when it comes to this topic are the ones who are just rejecting the possibility that all the junk they eat might be even worse for them than they thought.
this fraudian psychoanalysis shit is embarrassing. "people" who regularly eat junk food do not spare a thought about the type of motherfucking oil is in there. what you're missing is that it's convenient and very cheap
if i was forced to assume i would say it's statist redditors who get going on when anything contrarian to "the science" approved, safe and effective ingrained narrative about "all unsaturated fats le good, saturated fats and cholesterol le really bad" that has been ingrained for decades. this is why i made sure to remind them that it's even recognized in the "mainstream" that omega-6 carries risk
however, stereotypes and assumptions aren't helpful at all. it only leads to
, emotional arguments about labels and characters and not the subject at hand. it's an extremely regular occurrence nowadays that i have to "defuse" the person i'm arguing with beforehand (kind of like a virtue signal) to be able to have a nuanced 'debate' with them. people are often bewildered that i'm not part of a team and can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time. normies are braindamaged
You sound like a homosexual
>your fraudian psychoanalysis shit is embarrassing
>now shut up and listen to my own fraudian psychoanalysis shit
lmao wtf is this
>people are often bewildered that i'm not part of a team and can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time
being a dedicated fence sitter is not something to brag about
it's a sign of a weak, cowardly mind
>"people" who regularly eat junk food do not spare a thought about the type of motherfucking oil is in there. what you're missing is that it's convenient and very cheap
no, they do care, they just take much longer to accept the possibility that they were wrong about reading "vegetable", "sunflower", "soybean", etc. and thinking it was harmless.
the entire point is that it is plentiful and cheap.
some people might argue that even 1 drop of PUFA is gonna ruin you for the next 10 years or whatever, but the vast majority of seed oil disrespecters are moreso making the point that unless you actively attempt to reduce the consumption, you're likely going to consume much more than you should. that's not nearly as true for saturated fat, but normies already make an effort to be mindful of their saturated or trans fat consumption anyway, and make no effort to reduce their PUFA consumption, and even think it's harmless or good to consume the amount they unwittingly consume.
they'll be quick to assume their problems come from consuming cholesterol or carbs, but aren't even aware of their PUFA consumption except for when they look at an ingredients label and see something that sounds good to them, completely unaware of the total consumption and the consequences.
>actually read and understand the studies and make your own assessment
the real important human experiments on seed oils were mostly done half a century ago and were buried, spun, or ignored. they almost all failed to show any benefit and some showed quite clear ill effects
where are those experiments?
on pubmed
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/olli/class-materials/Nutrition_Immunity_Spr21_Session4.pdf
>seed oil kills u
Bro, like all of Eastern Europe uses it. Stop it with this retarded nonsense.
I see we've reached the projection of false beliefs stage of reasoning about why anyone might do things differently.
Avocado oil has a good lipid profile and has neutral flavor and a high smoke point when impurities are filtered out.
Avocado oil is rancid, fake or refined. If you're going to buy refined oil, might as well buy "light" olive oil and save yourself some money.
all of the incel trash saying that seed oils are fine, post body. Easy way to solve this debate.
touch grass
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You typed that all with one hand?
>lard tastes like an animal
Yes, that is precisely why I enjoy it. Next question?
>lard tastes like an animal
What’s the problem?
>realize that things fried in seed oil = atherosclerosis
>realize that instant noodles = atherosclerosis
Continue using olive oil because I literally don't notice this so called "doesn't mix well".
But prefer to use lard when I have enough saved up.
Oil is not good for your health. Your stomach heats and this heat causes all sorts of diseases.
??????
olive oil
extra virgin only (that's certified). that's the real stuff. for everything
do not use with high temp! you'll start a fire and lose flavor
>tastes good
>makes everything taste more complex if you know how to not over use it
>healthy for you
>used for literal thousands of years
>used too much? you can slurp that delicious shit up
>it is almost impossible to go wrong with unless you don't get certified EVOO
>lasts longer than butter in shelf life. perfect for lazy fucks like me who don't like buying shit all the time
no hate against butter but the dishes i make suit oilve oil better.
also in comparison to butter, it's easier to know whether oilve oil i buy is legit or not. there's so many different kinds of butter shit is actually confusing and they put all kinds of goofy shit in it to preserve it.
ur not supposed to eat much fat.
No more than 25% of your calories should come from fat. preferably less.
why not
So have we figured out what fat we're supposed to be using?
None. Food is for fat people.
The fats in coffee and carbs in cigs are enough to sustain you.