The minimum viable baseline diet

Ascetic dining in toxic modernity.
Basically, it's a rice and shrimp elimination diet. Then add whatever works for you.

I've had doctors tell me this diet can't sustain life, which is nonsense. Eskimos live without vegetables. This just replaces blubber with rice starch as the energy source.

At home:
1. handful of unenriched white rice, pressure cooked to congee, pinch of sea salt, eaten before cooling
2. clean pot and dish
3. handful of wild-caught saltwater shelled shrimp (no additives) auto-heated to c-shape, not o-shape (that's overdone)
4. in leftover broth, pressure cook longer a handful of white rice with pinch of organic tricolor brown rice (to fool blandness perception)
5. clean pot and dish, repeat

Between meals:
- toothpick
- pinch of sea salt in hot water

Note that this is an elimination diet. Shrimp is highly satiating due to methionine, meaning you will eat less and lose weight. Pseudo-fasting is helpful when recovering gut health. For long term use, you'll need a feast mode. For breakfast, replace shrimp with canned tuna (3/week) or sardines (1/day). This permits increasing pot size to 1.5 or 2 handfuls.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    meds, now

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Eskimos live without vegetables
    and they look like this
    what is it about these autists and not eating vegetable? their way of thinking is so regimented no wonder they are all obsessed with nazis.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never said the Eskimo diet was optimal. Japanese fishermen are pictured in the OP for a reason.

      I ate vegetables until I couldn't; they're delicious.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so what is the purpose of this rice and shrimp diet?
        >I ate vegetables until I couldn't
        what happened?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > An elimination diet, also known as exclusion diet, is a diagnostic procedure used to identify foods that an individual cannot consume without adverse effects.
          Unknown chronic condition, probably from childhood vaccination.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ok but what is the effect? what is the chronic condition? and now that you have eliminated it, are you going to be on this diet forever or are you adding things back?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              IBS-D and chronic fatigue for most foods.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and you have eliminated those problems with this diet? are you adding things back or are you eating like this forever?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. I've made some progress healing, and can tolerate more foods now without IBS-D, but they still cause chronic fatigue. So I'll need to find a treatment to expand my diet.

                Converting my elimination diet into a long-term sustainable diet helps me accomplish that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you mean the rice and shrimp diet eliminated those problems, but adding other things back still make you fatigue?
                >Converting my elimination diet into a long-term sustainable diet helps me accomplish that.
                so have you found this long term diet?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, elimination mode is rice-shrimp only, reducing appetite to let gut recover. Long-term mode changes breakfast meat to fish, increasing appetite 50-100%.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So

            meds, now

            was right all along. Meds, now.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok quack.

              Expert validates survey analysis: vaccines ARE the main cause of chronic diseases
              https://kirschsubstack.com/p/college-math-professor-validates

              Childhood Vaccine Schedule Led to ‘Greatest Decline in Public Health in Human History’ | Dr. Joseph Mercola>
              https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/05/joseph-mercola/childhood-vaccine-schedule-led-to-greatest-decline-in-public-health-in-human-history/
              What the data says about vaccines
              https://kirschsubstack.com/p/what-the-data-says-about-vaccines

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let me sum these up.
                >I don’t like vaccines
                >Let me see if health has gotten worse since we started taking more vaccines
                >omg it has!!!
                Classic logical fallacy, perfect bait for schizos.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Classic logical fallacy
                straw man

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >straw man
                straw man

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But what if they are right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is mathematically obvious they're correct, so the medical cartel shills can only duck the debate.

                Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine
                The vaccine was implicated in 93% of the deaths in the patients they examined. What's troubling is the coroner didn't implicate the vaccine in any of those deaths.
                https://kirschsubstack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

                > 2.5k likes, 1.4k comments
                > he's ignored

                He offers bets and paid debates, that pharma shills are too cowardly to take.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t know how you can function as a human being if you think 15 is a reasonable sample size of anything other than ‘what flavor are these cupcakes’.

                You know what, do your moronic diet for your imagined problems and believe whatever you’d like. I decided I actually don’t care.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don’t know how you can function as a human being if you think 15 is a reasonable sample size of anything other than ‘what flavor are these cupcakes’.
                That's amusing. You literally cannot function as a human being if you need something to happen more than 15 times before you recognize it as a pattern. I don't even regard you as sapient.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude this guy just spam posts about covid or what? Like does he have no life? No wonder hes ignored.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Mork

                Pretty much. The Culinaly Jannie’s are a bunch of anti-fun tyrants, but if they had COVID from this board I’d be A-OK with that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >‘Greatest Decline in Public Health in Human History’ | Dr. Joseph Mercola>
                Mercola is considered to be a quack.

                Elmination diets are a good way to start having new problems with lactose. I don't recommend them.

                Every "Eskimo" that I know eats vegetables and fruit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I couldn't care less who mainstream doctors consider quacks, since they're almost all complicit in mass murder.

                The eskimos who live on the ice don't have access to vegetables during that time, obviously. I never said all Eskimos live that way, or even most. It's obviously not preferable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Le mainstream doctors are complicit in mass murder!!

                Let me guess, you saw it in some alternative media youtubers video?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hypocritically didn't read the thread

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            out of curiosity, were you born in 90's?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              80s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Japanese fishermen are pictured in the OP for a reason
        Those guys look 16. They could be living off scraps from dumpsters and still look relatively fine in their young age.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I haven't honed my ability to detect whether a teen boy is over the age of consent, but I highly doubt those workers are 16. East Asians mature more slowly, and are neotenous. This was 1964, before bodybuilding was popular. The shirtless guy especially looks adult.

          > The Japanese education system consists of 6 years of elementary school, 3 years of junior high school, 3 years of senior high school, and 4 years of university. Children usually begin elementary school at the age of 6, junior high at 12, senior high at 15 and university when they are 18.

          https://dannychoo.com/archive/en/posts/japanese-school-boys-1

          Older Japanese fishermen are similarly ripped, but exposure weathers their skin, so I picked a photo that shows the shrimp glow. Feel free to post a competing picture for whatever diet you advocate. Dumpster diving, I suppose.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      those people all have perfect teeth and are absolutely stronger and happier than you ever have been or will be in your life. the fact that theyre ugly is just incidental

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Subzero weather is rough on exposed skin.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes but theyre also just plain genetically ugly, which again is incidental and has no bearing on their diet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just adding what I can to your excellent observation. Epicanthic folds are a cold adaptation, and I suspect a longer nose would freeze off in those extreme conditions. The facial robusticity is a stress tolerator neanderthaloid trait conferring mental fortitude. Face and frontal cortex both develop from the same neural crest, and thus the former conveys info about the latter.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              explain scandinavians then

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                swedes are very handsome too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Competitor Bantu displaced lower-IQ Stress-Tolerator San Bushmen with the acquisition of iron-age technology. Modern Nordics are relatively gracile Competitors whose higher IQ and advanced technology allowed them to push north into the territory of Mongoloid Stress Tolerators such as Eskimos and Sami.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes but theyre also just plain genetically ugly, which again is incidental and has no bearing on their diet

        why do you think theyre ugly?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >stronger and happier than you ever have been or will be in your life
        Yeah nah https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/book-review-the-arctic-hysterias .

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What do you look like? Why dont you post your body?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eskimos are ping pongs?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eskimos eat a lot of animal products raw or fermented, I'm not sure if you could entirely live on cooked products. I started to get vitamin C deficiency when doing an elimination diet with beef after a while. And supposedly eating carbs increases your need for vitamin C.

    I think they also eat organs, just eating meat isn't really that nutritious compared to organs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't seen any credible recommendations to consume raw meat for scurvy. Seafood doesn't need it and terrestrial meat isn't safe.

      The Arctic Explorer Who Pushed an All-Meat Diet | Vilhjalmur Stefansson wanted to prove a point. | Atlas Obscura
      https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/all-meat-diet

      Lower-quality and overcooked meat has less vitamin c. Organ meat has more. Saltwater shrimp should be lightly cooked, which preserves plenty of vitamin c.

      > I started to get vitamin C deficiency when doing an elimination diet with beef after a while.

      Yeah CAFO beef muscle, heavily cooked, probably doesn't have enough vit c. That's when you need to eat organ meat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love liver and kidneys but I feel like I overcook the shit out of them

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I understand your sentiment anon. If you want to lose weight only, you can try fasting

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >meaning you will eat less and lose weight
    So this is advice for fatties, and will kill healthy people?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I tried this with scallops, which had too little fat. The result was simply that I craved and ate something else, not death, moron.

      For long term use, you'll need a feast mode. For breakfast, replace shrimp with a canned wild-caught saltwater fish. This permits increasing pot size to 1.5 or 2 handfuls.

      Canned fish:
      - canned tuna is lean with elevated mercury (max 3/week)
      - sardines, mackerel and salmon have low mercury
      - avoid additives such as oil, salt etc.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's raw cabbage and freshly churned butter.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You gonna get beriberi (that's the real name) unless you add other stuff to that list

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Today, beriberi is much less common in most parts of the world where diets include natural sources of thiamine, such as fresh meat and fish, whole grains, legumes, and fresh fruits and vegetables. Breakfast cereals and flours are also often fortified with the vitamin. Historical geographer Ed Armston-Sheret, who studies health and medicine during exploration in the Victorian and Edwardian eras at Royal Holloway, University of London, is not surprised at the new findings, given the lack of fresh food available to Shackleton and the others.
      -- https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/shackleton-beriberi-antarctica-exploration

      > Thiamine deficiency is a medical condition of low levels of thiamine (vitamin B1).[1] A severe and chronic form is known as beriberi.

      > Beriberi is often caused by eating a diet with a very high proportion of calorie rich polished rice (common in Asia) or cassava root (common in sub-Saharan Africa), without much if any thiamine-containing animal products or vegetables.

      > Symptoms of beriberi include weight loss, emotional disturbances, impaired sensory perception, weakness and pain in the limbs, and periods of irregular heart rate. Edema (swelling of bodily tissues) is common.
      -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiamine_deficiency

      Shrimp has thiamine, as does canned fish. The RDA doesn't account for superior bioavailability in meat.

      I haven't noticed any beriberi symptoms over the years of doing variations of this diet. However, this does make macadamia nuts even more appealing:

      > The thiamine content in macadamia nuts was the highest reported for tree nuts

      https://www.gbhealthwatch.com/Nutrient-Thiamin-TopFoods.php

      Seaweed isn't elimination diet, but it is pesticide free and high in thiamine. That'd be the first vegetable to reintroduce.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, I've had chronic fatigue symptoms like beriberi, but not when eating mainly rice.

        Potatoes and eggs is simpler and more complete than what you mentioned and anything else you could come up with
        /thread

        Let us know how that goes.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Potatoes and eggs is simpler and more complete than what you mentioned and anything else you could come up with
    /thread

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    B multivitamin is probably a good idea to counterbalance the white rice. If it increases energy, it's probably helping.

    When reintroducing grains, seeds and beans, it's best to soak them overnight in the pot, then discard the water, into which phytic acid has leached. Antinutrient leaching is the mechanism by which plants prevent spoilage before sprouting time

    Brown rice would be the place to start. This guy's method is too slow; I'll try soaking it overnight on autoheat and then discard the water.

    Brown rice: the preparation secret you need to know
    https://projectdao.com.au/blog/brown-rice-the-preparation-secret-you-need-to-know/

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who has chronic gut issues and am still trying to manage them so they dont effect my sleep, I have done a similar elimination diet, with rice and lean white fish (basa fillet) and I will say, it has had positive effects on my gut issues.

    However for me, I think the problem is that I simply can't eat very much food, otherwise I get stomach inflammation which has a negative chain reaction

    My takeaway from my own experiences is that for most people, you don't need to eat in such a limited manner. You can essily add fruit, vegetables, other grains, and even fats, sugars and carbs to your diet without any issue. The people who typically get fat aren't getting there because theyre eating too many fruit and vegetables. You can even have dessert. Every single day. Without getting fat. If you make it yourself, that is

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I tried the fillet route too. Good times. Can't eat much either; this is truly a minimal diet.

      >Eskimos live without vegetables
      There aren't over a billion Eskimos. Feeding blubber as a source of energy to a billion or even a quarter billion people is not sustainable.

      nobody proposed that, ever

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you also have a gut issue? Why so stringent?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes, necessity

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Eskimos live without vegetables
    There aren't over a billion Eskimos. Feeding blubber as a source of energy to a billion or even a quarter billion people is not sustainable.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Beriberi was very rare among people with an access to diversified diet, as vitamin B1 is quite common and can be found in meat, fish, grains and lentils that were commonly eaten
    -- People who ate mostly white rice would often get Vitamin B deficiency... | r/AskHistorians
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/fqwndf/people_who_ate_mostly_white_rice_would_often_get/

    Since I'm eating fresh lightly-cooked seafood daily, I shouldn't have beriberi. I checked anyway by taking a b-multivitamin, and didn't experience the usual euphoric rush I've observed when I was actually vit-b depleted.

    White rice doesn't actually contain thiaminase, which depletes vitamin b. It just lacks the thiamin in brown rice. So this problem affects people who eat only stored food, and white rice instead of wheat.

    Anyway I don't see much harm in recommending people try a b-vitamin. It's pretty easy to tell whether it helps your energy and/or upsets your gut.

    I updated the document with that and more.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so what food have you tried to put back into your diet? if you think you have this condition because of childhood vaccination, do you envision a future where you can eat "normally"? and what do you envision this future diet of yours will be like?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I did a lot of things to make it worse, trying to push too hard. I'd like to eat like the Weston Price Foundation recommends, eventually. Probably more biohacked to maximize focus, though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I did a lot of things to make it worse, trying to push too hard.
        like what?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Overwork, eating somewhat carelessly and gluttonously, energy drinks, then smoking to combat fatigue for a while, and living in a developing country.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If things got worse for you all at once within the past four years, then it might be Long COVID with mast cell activation syndrome. Covid is known to cause or worsen autoimmune and inflammatory conditions. MCAS is a reaction causing general fatigue, brain fog and gastric problems caused by hyperactive mast cells which release histamine in response to some or many different foods. Elimination diets are often used to diagnose it in LC patients
        >Inb4 no it can't be COVID / it's gotta be the vaxx!!!
        It could be the vaccine too but I doubt you got it based on your other posts
        Anyways you're welcome, as nobody else here will tell you this

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was a lot worse years before COVID, when I wasn't on an organic rice shrimp diet. I did probably get COVID and suspect it did make things worse. Didn't get vaxxed. Good tip though.

          I'm white. If I had to go on an elimination diet, I'd start with beef and potatoes, not rice and shrimp. Christ.

          So am I, and if I could eat nothing but beef and potatoes for the rest of my life, I wouldn't even regard it as a hardship. Believe me I tried, it just wouldn't work. Even a normal person probably needs organ meat or vitamin pills.

          have you ever actually maintained an elimination diet for a long period? because it's hard. i don't think you'll really find any useful information about yourself unless you're able to maintain it for a couple months before adding anything else into the mix.

          also, not finger pointing, or being dismissive, because i'm mental as hell, but.. there's a propensity for uh more neurotic folks to imagine things, or to be truly experiencing a problem, and incorrectly blaming it on food.. also, there's this weird human thing where like.. so i have a back problem, and if i think about it and get pessimistic, it'll hurt like hell 24/7 for weeks on end, whereas if i try to not think about it, and work through it, and tell myself it'll be fine, the body can heal, etc, etc, it gives me much, much less pain.

          anyway, good luck. upvoted, liked, subscribed, etc

          Yes, it is hard. Thanks friend.

          I only care about maintaining productivity and healing. There's no benefit doing extending rice-shrimp for months; that wastes tons of potential experimental iteration. Staying starving like that gets you nowhere; I've tried it.

          There is definitely a major psychological component to IBS. You gotta relax to relax your gut. Hence why I meditate constantly. However, ignoring the pain does not work. I simply wind up being incapacitated by continual diarrhea, unable to stand without losing peripheral vision to faintness, etc. Pushing through the orthostatic hypotension results in a controlled fall and needing floor time. I work around it, using a reclining desk setup, etc.

          Eskimos are fricking moronic savages why would you emulate them

          And you're supposed to be smarter? This diet has nothing to do with Eskimos. They can't catch shrimp or grow rice, idiot.

          > Pandalus borealis is a species of caridean shrimp found in cold parts of the northern Atlantic and northern Pacific Oceans
          > Pandalus borealis usually lives on a soft muddy bottoms at depths of 20 to 1,330 m (66–4,364 ft)
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandalus_borealis

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    even as a long-term lion diet practitioner, this sounds moronic to me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > On the lion diet, you will only eat meat from ruminant animals (e.g., cows, deer, moose, sheep), along with salt and water.

      Sounds like a good way to shorten your lifespan, dumbass omnivore.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm intrigued by your hypothesis OP, however lack of fiber concerns me, we need both soluble and insoluble fiber for proper gut health

    1. how did the eskimos get their fiber?
    2. what are the best sources of fiber?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well you can eat meat yourself for couple weeks, you'll notice you generate very little poop but otherwise feel pretty good.
      fiber mostly just contributes to bacteria who can eat it and generate gas from it, gas isnt great actually

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1. Dunno; I wouldn't imitate them anyway.
      2. If you can tolerate insoluble fiber, then you can probably tolerate brown rice, so just increase the ratio of brown to white.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fast instead, dry fast best

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you idiots would like to know the current progress of the anti-vaxx revolution, I'm happy to oblige. We are at the stage of the fake prosecutions turning real...

    News 05-11 to 27 | Health
    https://koanic.gitgud.site/essays/2024-05-27.html#org266c567

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >moronic
    >Posting homoerotic photos
    DISMISSED

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Regardless of your repressed sodomy, this is what peak performance looks like.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't they eat like normal people? They always invent some magic diet that probably kills them.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stfu moron. Take the gorilla kibble pill

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gorillas are herbivores, moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They eat bugs like any primate.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Almost no mammals are stupid enough to be strictly herbivores, except smooth-brained koalas and vegans.

          > With very few exceptions such as koalas, there are no other strictly herbivores.
          http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=7190

          >don't get the pokey
          >get ravaged by covid
          >schizopost about health on a fast food forum
          like clockwork

          I never tested positive for COVID, despite living in China where testing is regular.

          COVID didn't make a significant difference by itself. What mattered was repeated viral infections from exposure to schoolkids, which hit much harder due to my already poor health. Repeated viral infections can cause cumulative damage. Presumably COVID was a part of that at some point, but probably the pandemic countermeasures such as lockdown helped me overall.

          I solved the repeated viral infections by reducing environmental exposure and taking a regular nasal spray with sea salt and baking soda. Also, sticking to shrimp rice helped. The fat-soluble vitamins in fatty foods will probably help further, but immune performance is already within normal range.

          Probably Ivermectin would've helped, but I could only find the injectable form. Swallowing it upset my gut (like everything), and I was leery of injecting given my already fragile health.

          https://i.imgur.com/KpkiFZq.jpeg

          I hate shrimp and their disgusting taste and texture sorry ascetic food man

          By the time you need an elimination diet, you won't care about taste anymore. With that said, the relaxed version of the baseline elimination diet is:

          1. Only meat is wild-caught organic saltwater seafood, additive free. Start lean then add fat. Watch the mercury.
          2. Frozen (fresh) meat every other day, minimally cooked.
          3. Only plant is rice; start white then add brown, soaked or pressure cooked.
          4. Establish performance baseline, then introduce a new ingredient.

          I should lead with that next time, thanks. My extreme version is obviously overkill for most.

          boiled eggs
          nutritional yeast
          brown rice and bone broth sparingly
          liver
          red meat when available
          red peppers for vitamin c

          gg youre minimal now

          Red peppers and egg yolk are not remotely minimal, you lunatic. It's like you're deliberately picking things that are hard to digest.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >wild caught
            Meme spiritualism, you are better off finding a quality (read: non-Asian) farm to buy from as the produce has more tightly controlled diet meaning the result is more consistent. Wild fish are eating trash bags and spawning near sewer outlets.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I highly doubt that grain-fed CAFO fish are healthier than wild-caught, but you are welcome to provide evidence to the contrary. I suspect even visual inspection of skin and meat would reveal obvious differences, let alone invisible contaminants such as antibiotics, pesticide runoff etc.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                malaysians on suicide watch

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If the microplastics were from wild fish, Japan's would also be high. Looks like they're grinding up packaged food and feeding it to the fish, plastic and all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If the microplastics were from wild fish
                they are
                >Japan's would also be high
                it is
                it's either ingesting antibiotics and ag runoff or PCBs, heavy metals, and microplastics.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The maximum microplastics is Malaysia at 502, min is 0. Japan is at 153. If the cause is wild fish, then Iceland should be higher, since they consume almost twice as much seafood per capita than Japanese do. However, Iceland is at 58 microplastic, 1/3 of Japan's. So if it is seafood, then eat like an Icelander, and you'll be fine. Perhaps seafood from northern seas has less microplastics.

                Anyway, I'll take my chances with oceanic runoff over concentrated ag pollution any day. Supporting oceanic farming is a net benefit to the environment, since we can just plant seaweed and fertilize iron to make deserts bloom.

                Microplastic contamination is a long-term concern. The purpose of an elimination diet is to recover in weeks to months, so one may ignore microplastics.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Perhaps seafood from northern seas has less microplastics.
                Malaysia's not doing itself any favors sharing the sea with india and the philippines.

                It looks like the cause of high microplastics in Japan is that they use tons of plastic packaging and then incinerate it. So, not the fish.

                > Japan has the second-highest plastic waste emissions per person in the world. The most common method for disposing plastic waste in Japan is through incineration.
                > A study carried out in China showed that per metric ton of plastic waste incinerated, around 360,000 to 102,000 microplastic particles are generated [44] .

                If it was due to incineration then inhalation numbers would be much higher.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit. Alright, so obviously Japan's problem is that they get much (most?) of their seafood from heavily-polluted Southeast Asia and China. The lesson is to avoid anything from there like the plague.

                > In 2021, Japan imported fish and shellfish valued at over 1.5 trillion Japanese yen, with Asian trade partners supplying almost half of imports. China accounted for the largest share on a value basis, with imports reaching almost 273 billion yen.

                An elimination diet should avoid seafood from fish farms and heavily polluted waters. I don't think microplastics vary independently from the other pollutants; there is no need to consider them separately. Wild-caught and outside the East Asian red zone should be fine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You should just stop eating all together, a true elimination diet.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yesterday I had a small can of tuna for breakfast, adding it to the shrimp-rice baseline. That fixed hunger but caused a few hours of sickness today due to excessive table salt added to the meat. Perhaps table salt is more irritating than sea salt.

    It wasn't too bad, a Bristol Stool 6, so I'm continuing with unsalted tuna. Also added organic seaweed sheets and a handful of tree nuts soaked in water overnight.

    If tomorrow's worse, I'll reset to baseline, no problem. The hunger doesn't become distracting for a few days, and focus remains good.

    It will probably be fine, though. The hard part is already done: solving methionine revulsion and maximizing shrimp micronutrients.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      natural selection at work
      at least you tards will filter yourselves out from the gene pool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Indeed. Get boosted.

        I'm delighted with my progress. Used to be I could hardly make it from the bed to the bathroom. But I had faith I'd find a better solution than pharma or bowel resection. The latter merely permits more damage to accumulate before it finally stops working.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >calls you a moron
          >OH HE MUST BE A VAXXIE

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because you sound vaccinated.

            Japan has the highest life expectancy of any country that's not a rich city state:

            Countries ranked by life expectancy (2023)
            https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

            Japs do so despite a culture of overwork and drinking that shortens male life expectancy. Jap women live 2 years longer than Swiss women, by far the largest gap in the top 10. That is total domination.

            Their secret, I contend, is a diet heavy in rice, seaweed, fish and shrimp:

            The Highest Shrimp-Consuming Country in the World: Japan
            https://jala.tech/blog/shrimp-industry/the-highest-shrimp-consuming-country-in-the-world-japan

            Japan is only #13 in seafood consumption per capita.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_seafood_consumption
            Other rice-based countries such as South Korea rank higher. What sets Japan apart is shrimp. QED

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Or it could be, you know, genetics. You sperg

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wow. It reads almost like a parody post.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *former

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pic of Japanese high school boys, presumably seniors

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern bodybuilders are far uglier. This 16-year old East Asian is just disturbing:
    https://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/news/watch-unbelievably-shredded-16-year-old-crush-his-workouts/

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doing much better today, so I'll keep the fish and regain my normal weight. Nuts causing a bit of gas, so I'll cut them. Soaking didn't help enough. Seaweed sheets, rice and shrimp+fish is plenty for comfortable existence.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Godspeed moron-kun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fresh meat prevents scurvy, quack.

      The tragic tale of Scurvy: how beliefs trumped science | Bark Europa
      https://www.barkeuropa.com/logbook/detail/the-tragic-tale-of-scurvy-how-beliefs-trumped-science

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like I said, Godspeed moron-kun

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok quack. I've been doing variations of shrimp-rice for years and have perfect teeth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You dont eat fresh meat

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          don't bother, he'll pull some anecdote out of his ass to PROVE you're wrong. it doesn't matter what logic, reasoning, or evidence you rightly have to disprove anything he says, it'll be anecdotes ad infinitum. just let him die painfully anon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I eat frozen shrimp daily, lightly cooked. Only thing fresher is sushi.

          What do you look like? Why dont you post your body?

          Sure. I guess it's somewhat interesting I'm not emaciated with such low calories and exercise. Tomorrow though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >frozen shrimp
            >fresh
            Oh ok its bait

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              there's no such thing as fresh shrimp at the market. it arrives frozen they just thaw it out before opening

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The relevant distinction in nutrition for seafood is between fresh (raw, unspoiled) and aged (canned, usually). Fresh has highly-bioavailable trace vitamins that prevent diseases such as scurvy and beriberi. Canned or dried, often doesn't.

                There is a gourmet distinction that never-frozen seafood has a preferable texture, but that's not relevant in this context.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dont care, I'm not wrong. Theres no vitamin C in the shrimp you buy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I guess it's somewhat interesting I'm not emaciated with such low calories and exercise
            Its called adaptive thermogenesis

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the 1950s
    >men ate whatever they wanted
    >women scrimped and starved themselves to be appealing
    Today
    >women eat whatever they want
    >men scrimp and starve themselves to be appealing
    Did the feminists win?

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain what is actually wrong with OP? Like what specific mental illnesses he has?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Combination of low IQ (leading to gullibility and incapability for deductive reasoning), Münchausen syndrome, and paranoid schizo. He should take meds, but apparently he only follows medical advice from terminally online bloggers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I qualify for Triple Nine Society. You are probably moronic relative to me.

        The issue is not a psychological aversion to delicious food, but maintaining the willpower to avoid yet another episode of wishing-for-death gut cramps. Most people, it seems, haven't had them bad enough to form a 2-handspan puddle of involuntary salivation at their feet.

        If it were psychological, the solution would be MDMA or pot or shrooms, at worst.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I believe that you qualify for fake mensa because you sound like a typical neurotic homeschooled kid.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, I'm not homeschooled, but the illness certainly caused plenty of negative emotions, which I had to learn to meditate through.

            I dont care, I'm not wrong. Theres no vitamin C in the shrimp you buy.

            If shrimp had no vitamin C, they would be dead. "Neither animals nor plants can live without vitamin C"
            https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/the-mystery-of-vitamin-c-14167861/

            > Vitamin C is also the most unstable vitamin, rapidly degrading or disappearing when exposed to water, air, light, heat, and pH levels above about 4.0
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1040618218311698
            Hence why I merely briefly autoheat the shrimp instead of boiling it.

            Shrimp allegedly has no vitamin c:
            https://fitaudit.com/categories/sea/vitamin_c

            But of course, they would be dead if that were true:

            Vitamin C requirements of the shrimp Penaeus vannamei
            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/004484869390305I

            > Shrimp survival but not growth was significantly (P<0.05) reduced by feeding vitamin C-deficient diets. Whole-body ascorbic acid (WBAA) content in shrimp increased as dietary vitamin C increased.

            Their vit-c level is below detectable, but the RDA scale is calibrated for plant bioavailability, not meat. Anyway, if you're worried about it, just eat clams. I don't like the taste, but I'll buy some to test whether I'm deficient, since people keep arguing this. If my energy jumps, then you had a point.

            Oh, I forgot to mention the largest causal factor: a light course of Accutane in college, for persistent sub-cystic acne. The original vaccine-induced auto-immune issues were minor to moderate food intolerances, rhinitis and acne. Accutane didn't even fix the acne, just caused a gradual degeneration of gut lining via epithelial stem cell senescence, presumably. Fortunately I didn't take enough to cause an IBD diagnosis, and the damage isn't visible on endoscope. Still get acne if I eat wrong.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Your own sources debunk you. You realize the shrimp are heavily salted before freezing right? And seawater is 8+

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most are, yes:
                The Sneaky Salt Facts You Probably Don’t Know About Frozen Shrimp
                https://www.myrecipes.com/healthy-diet/sodium-in-frozen-shrimp
                > Whole Foods, however, promises that their shrimp are frozen without preservatives. Their frozen shrimp options show that to be true: Whole Catch’s cooked white shrimp have about 227 milligrams of sodium per 4-ounce serving.

                That's another reason I've had trouble finding tolerable shrimp brands. Mainly it's the inflammatory reaction to sodium tripolyphosphate. However, excess salt has also likely caused problems in the past.

                I now autoheat a handful of shrimp in two fingers of water, diluting salt content, and eating the shrimp by themselves. Then I cook a 1.5 handfuls of rice in the broth. The result is not excessively salty.

                My Ole Saltern Sea Organic shrimp has 104mg of salt per 100g. For comparison the Whole Foods brand above has about twice as much. So the Ole brand is obviously frozen without excess salt.

                > And seawater is 8+

                The human body's ph is 7+. Nevertheless, they are correct:

                > The profile of the degradation rate of ascorbic acid from unbuffered solutions has been determined for pH range 2.5–5.0 at 20°C ± 0.5° C.
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0031686594900043

                So we have proved that nobody has any vitamin c, and therefore we are all dead. Or you could stop being stupid.

                You look like I could bench-press you.

                Yes, I'm under 150 lbs now. I'm 6' tall and with casual lifting normally 170-180 lbs.

                >I've had doctors tell me this diet can't sustain life, which is nonsense. Eskimos
                yes, those famously long-lived and plentiful eskimos, when I see them walking around town I just get so jealous of their physique, how do they do it?

                straw man

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not arguing with you anymore. You literally are just googling points that will agree with your position and pasting them here. Myrecipes is not a valid source. I didnt read further. You are vigorously trying to defend an objectionally deficient diet. Rice and shrimp, if you asked literally anybody, is not a 'minimum bSeline"' diet. Its inherently deficient

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So long midwit. Myrecipes was the source I Googled to corroborate your claim; objecting to it is asinine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I now autoheat a handful of shrimp in two fingers of water, diluting salt content, and eating the shrimp by themselves. Then I cook a 1.5 handfuls of rice in the broth. The result is not excessively salty.
                just eat a hamburger you insane frick, rolling that you develop a fatal shellfish allergy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I literally had a dumbass doctor tell me, "Sometimes you just have to eat a hamburger." As if I haven't tried that already. Go visit r/ibs if you do not comprehend. 119k members.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have you ever actually maintained an elimination diet for a long period? because it's hard. i don't think you'll really find any useful information about yourself unless you're able to maintain it for a couple months before adding anything else into the mix.

                also, not finger pointing, or being dismissive, because i'm mental as hell, but.. there's a propensity for uh more neurotic folks to imagine things, or to be truly experiencing a problem, and incorrectly blaming it on food.. also, there's this weird human thing where like.. so i have a back problem, and if i think about it and get pessimistic, it'll hurt like hell 24/7 for weeks on end, whereas if i try to not think about it, and work through it, and tell myself it'll be fine, the body can heal, etc, etc, it gives me much, much less pain.

                anyway, good luck. upvoted, liked, subscribed, etc

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >op you might be crazy

                Gee, you fricking think?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You look like I could bench-press you.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The last one was due to the extra table salt in the first tuna brand I purchased, John West. It only got bad for a few minutes of interally-apologizing-to-god. Running cold water over my hand helped distract from the nausea and heat bloom. Fortunately it was a small can, only 100g. I've been feeling steadily better since I switched to additive free tuna, despite the larger can size.

    Feeling wonderful now, back to my old self practically, starting to exercise again. Used to be a soccer player and weightlifter.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I've had doctors tell me this diet can't sustain life, which is nonsense. Eskimos
    yes, those famously long-lived and plentiful eskimos, when I see them walking around town I just get so jealous of their physique, how do they do it?

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll eliminate the seaweed sheets. They're not inflammatory, but moderately painful.

    Rice, shrimp and lean fish is fine. Toothpicks substitute for dry snacks. Never found any I can tolerate. Soft things are easier to digest.

    Gut transit speed is very slow at low calories without insoluble fiber, so it's unnecessary to wait a full cycle between tests. One can simply wait until one feels better for a day.

    It's efficient to try a few things together to see whether there is a noticeable improvement from corrected deficiency before any consequences ensue. If the benefits are low and the risk high, discard them all and move on. B-multivit, seaweed and soaked nuts were all just eliminated.

    It's apparent I'll need some treatment to improve my tolerance for insoluble fiber. Even pressure-cooked brown rice causes the same problem, not inflammation but mechanical pain.

    I have a lot of remedies to try in storage, that I couldn't test successfully due to unstable baseline. Should be able to find something that works now. Maybe HGH or cannabidiol.

    Even if rice+shrimp caused lethal starvation after a month, it would still be an amazing baseline diet, because you feel fine for a few days, allowing you to recover and try something else. A quality baseline is the key to personal experimentation. You can't tell if something makes you worse if you already feel bad.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm white. If I had to go on an elimination diet, I'd start with beef and potatoes, not rice and shrimp. Christ.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eskimos are fricking moronic savages why would you emulate them

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2. clean pot and dish
    >5. clean pot and dish
    Wasting precious calories that could carry over to your next meal.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ever got tested for severe autism?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have a subclinical degree of it from the USA's aggressive 80s childhood vaccination schedule, which I doubtless received in full. I was able to break through the socioemotional barrier by meditation rather than MDMA, but inflammatory diet can make it a major problem, compounding everything else.

      Progress:
      The canned mackerel I ordered just arrived, and I had 200g immediately. It's 13% fat, and I can feel the resulting surge of warm well-being. This is the largest positive effect since adding tuna. Probably my fat intolerance won't allow it, but worth a shot. If it's too painful, lean tuna three times a week is still sustainable long-term.

      Vitamin pills and insoluble fiber offer little benefit compared to fat. So I should prioritize fat digestion treatments first: UDCA perhaps.

      I should update the document to emphasize that the top priority after stabilizing gut is to find a way to eat more animal fat. Although more difficult to digest than protein and starch, it is incomparable as an energy and vitality source. Insoluble fiber is the hardest to digest, and thus added last.

      Needless to say, in the early stages everything should be either soft or cooked to mush. I considered making bone broth, but terrestrial meat is so polluted it's best to stick to fish first. The juice in the can includes bone broth anyway.

      So, assuming mackerel fails, I'll cut back to tuna and start a small daily dose of UDCA, then retry mackerel.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    least unhinged asian masculinity poster

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This image causes moron-kun to larp that he’s crapping his pants uncontrollably lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      omgggg I’m pooooopingggggg

      Let me link you to PROOF that images can set of my mild IBS that is totally incurable and cause by vaccines. A paper titled Ocular Intestinal Links and Effects.
      >link to blog post about how lil old ladies shit themselves when the look at menus in restaurants
      QED!!

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >don't get the pokey
    >get ravaged by covid
    >schizopost about health on a fast food forum
    like clockwork

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate shrimp and their disgusting taste and texture sorry ascetic food man

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    boiled eggs
    nutritional yeast
    brown rice and bone broth sparingly
    liver
    red meat when available
    red peppers for vitamin c

    gg youre minimal now

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Had the best night's sleep I can remember thanks to the mackerel. Gut discomfort has diminished since I stopped the insoluble fiber (nuts and seaweed). I definitely want to keep eating fat, and figured out a better treatment to test before UDCA: cholestyramine powder.

    It's gross, but bearable in the white rice immediately preceding the meat meal. Add it before eating fatty meat (every other day).

    Cholestyramine slows gut transit, which is a problem if one has eaten irritants it doesn't neutralize. However, fixing fat malabsorption is what it's designed to do.

    Eating enough high-quality animal fat can spontaneously heal things. Not sure whether I'll need the cholestyramine; we'll see. I've tried it in yogurt but the fatigue was too bad, probably from lactose intolerance.

    Overall, yogurt was a misleading dead end for me, one of many pieces of bad advice out there. I hope my minimal baseline shrimp-rice diet shortens the journey for other sufferers.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's a real "minimum viable diet" look like?

    meat, potato, greens?

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It looks like the cause of high microplastics in Japan is that they use tons of plastic packaging and then incinerate it. So, not the fish.

    > Japan has the second-highest plastic waste emissions per person in the world. The most common method for disposing plastic waste in Japan is through incineration.
    > A study carried out in China showed that per metric ton of plastic waste incinerated, around 360,000 to 102,000 microplastic particles are generated [44] .

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Update
      Incinceration with appropriate filtration seems to me to be the best possible option, but without a working filtration system it's worse for us than burying it. I think tire plastics and brake dust are likely the largest contributing factor in the uptick in all these cancers and brain, hormonal and reproductive maladies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Update
        I don't know where this came from? Culinaly is being weird. Yesterday it grabbed text from a random post on the front page when I doubleclicked the captcha. I hadn't even viewed the thread and didn't realize grabbed it from a post until I saw it on the front apge.

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