This might be the only drug where the addicts not only deny being addicted but also feel superior to non-tweakers.
Many construction workers and truck drivers regularly take amphetamines but you don't see them bragging about how they're more productive in the workplace
I'm addicted to coffee and don't think I'm superior to others, what now OP
I didn't say all
No truck drivers are tweaking on speed anymore. The log books are all on computers connected to the engine now, there's no way to drive 20+ hours regularly and not get caught.
remember what they took from you
caffeine is absolutely an addiction.
if I go more than a day without caffeine, i get migraines so bad it feels like my head is in a vice.
here's the catch though.
caffeine is the only addiction with no negative health side effects besides the withdrawal.
so the cure for caffeine withdrawal is to get some more caffeine.
You've never had a severe caffeine tolerance have you? Consume enough over a period of time and eventually you get heart palpitations, nerve pain, and other issues.
>severe caffeine tolerance
I don't know this term, so I really can't speak on it.
Excess does not disprove the claim which is of normal consumption
>where not taking it causes some kind of negative withdrawal.
That's not what addiction is. That's dependence. Addiction is a mental state of not being bale or not wanting to stop
This doesn't apply to everyone. One of my coworkers literally eats/snorts over a gram of pure caffeine daily and he's in better health than my alcoholic fat ass.
>negative health side effects
Tolerance anon. That is a big side effect.
So instead of being wired from a large cup, you instead need to drink a entire pot.
It also results in extending the half life to the point where taking a few cups in the afternoon is going to reduce sleep quality.
this is true if you simply drink coffee whenever you feel like it with no moderation.
but most older adults with careers will suffer a sleepless night while having to do a big project the next day, and will quickly learn their lesson (at least for a couple months)
so you intake your caffeine on a schedule.
1 cup with breakfast
1 cup on break
1 cup on lunch
you're getting 300+ mg a day, and still giving yourself enough time to unwind before bed
This applies to any drug, anon. You don't understand. You can hit the crack pipe once. You can take a toke once in a while. You can snort a little K here and there. Have a glass of wine, even. Take a perc 10 a couple of times a week. All of these things are fine for the body in moderation. But you mentioned addiction, you did not talk about moderation. Your argument is invalid, and you're probably retarded.
>You can hit the crack pipe once. You can take a toke once in a while. You can snort a little K here and there. Have a glass of wine, even.
none of these are addictions.
addiction is a physiological dependence, where not taking it causes some kind of negative withdrawal.
people categorize things into physical dependence and psychological addiction but I feel like psychological addiction should be split into more categories too. Like being hooked on tv or social media is clearly not the same sort of psychological addiction as crystal meth imo
agreed.
Well then, caffeine addiction has physiological side effects like any other addiction, no? Severity / degree is as important as the status itself.
See above. It won't be, though, due to profitability and extent of addiction. If anything, another round of fear mongering will be required to start the cycle anew (likely taking Mary Jane and other stuff with it, tbh).
>Well then, caffeine addiction has physiological side effects like any other addiction, no? Severity / degree is as important as the status itself.
right but my criticism was more on the period of time between usages.
if you can only smoke crack on saturdays, that's most likely not a physical addiction.
i think the problem started when people began using the word "addicted" to describe something they really really really like, rather than something that they are physically dependent on.
Probably. Imprecise language is something I don't enjoy. It makes conversation unnecessarily difficult - a lot of people, for some reason or another, feel intellectually belittled when introduced to unfamiliar words in a conversation. It's not condescending to discuss the brevity of certain holidays, Beth. You're just retarded.
you have to go back
be condescending or be stupid. don't be both.
but it's the American way!
true. condescending, stupid and poor would be the unamerican way.
you drink coffee to get wired. i just drink a cup or two because i enjoy it and don't get wired anyway.
I'm pretty sure elevated blood pressure is a negative side effect.
my blood pressure is normal, in the lower end of the spectrum too
Doesnt it deplete grey matter?
Im addicted to coffee and I think Im superior to others. But I dont brag about it.
Wine and whisky cunts are the worst.
I feel addiction is ultimately subjective
even with genuinely addictive shit like tobacco/cocaine/etc the most hopeless addicts tend to have addictive personalities long before and not after the fact and they're just extending it to something destructive as opposed to caffeine which is benign by comparison
there is nothing subjective about opium addiction.
you don't tend to just find yourself in a crippling opium addiction out of the blue one morning though
you got there via a path defined by your addictive tendencies and prior addictions that could no longer satisfy you
Yes there is because you have to be a mind-broken addict to continue the cycle of dependence/withdrawal instead of tapering off and not using again.
The difference is coffee withdrawal will give you a headache and make you grumpy for a few days, while the meth withdrawal will turn you into a hallucinating paranoid angry zombie. Ever met a NORMAL meth addict? Didn't think so
Did you just talk to me before I had my cuppa?
I'm a long term habitual daily tea drinker for years. My side effects so far
>Unable to do complex thinking when not on caffeine
>A brief headache lasting a few hours on cessation of use. No other withdrawal symptoms
>Hyperfocused when caffeinated
>Frequent urination for one to two hours after consuming
If it has any other negative impact on my health then I simply haven't noticed. Is it an addiction? Absolutely. I consume both for pleasure and as a mental performance enhancer
>deny being addicted
you're thinking of weed
caffeine addicts always talk about how theyre caffeine addicts
Caffeine addiction isn't real. I'm not a coffee drinker but I did get some kona beans as a gift and instead of throwing it away I actually tried it using a plunger from ikea and it tasted good and the buzz was pretty nice so I can see why people drink the stuff but my point is that once I finished the 1kg bag I looked up the price for some more and thought fuck that no thanks and I haven't had any coffee since then and have had no cravings for coffee neither so ipso facto caffeine addiction is not real. Thanks for reading.
I don't like coffee really but drink one cup in the morning before work
wouldn't really drink it any other time in the typical day
incidentally I only drink it with ground ginger. prob wouldn't even drink it otherwise. if you haven't tried it you def should
I fully admit that I am reliant upon caffeine. As with anything - food, drink, tobacco, other drugs - if I have some, or am on my way to get some, I offer to procure or give some to present friends and associates.
>where the addicts not only deny being addicted but also feel superior to non-tweakers.
Have you never met anyone who smokes weed?
>guzzle tea, coffee, kombucha and yerba mate daily for months without a break (at least one caffeinated drink per waking hour)
>take four days off
>feel literally no different
>resume drinking them because they're yummy and good for you
Currently on day 2 back in the saddle and I feel exactly like I did during the break, but with more pleasurable drinking experiences to enjoy. If you want to talk unreasonably-acceptable addictions, talk sugar instead, something that's actually habit-forming, superfluous, and terrible for you.
Caffeine addicts came to the thread just to prove OP right lmao
yeah I drink a pot of coffee every morning
The coffee industry did a good job of tricking people into thinking caffeine is healthy.
I went cold turkey because I couldnt be bothered to order beans
didn't feel anything
I am chemically dependent on caffeine, and I do think that I am better than you. For one thing, I know the difference between "dependence" and "addiction".
And I can quit any time I want.
i've not been to my nearest big city in years
is it really full of disgusting drug addicts in tents?
why not push them out to the hills where the bears and cold can decide their fate?
I drink decaf, I just like the taste.