Why don't vegans eat free-range eggs, grass-fed milk or sustainably harvested shellfish?
Why don't vegans eat free-range eggs, grass-fed milk or sustainably harvested shellfish?
Why don't vegans eat free-range eggs, grass-fed milk or sustainably harvested shellfish?
some do
and local honey as well
But wouldn't that mean that they aren't vegans, by definition?
>My main argument is that most vegans aren't inherently opposed to the concept of eating animal products, but rather the way the industries surrounding them are run.
most vegans i've personally met think this way, and don't believe in the strict definition of veganism as "absolutely no animal products".
since they think of it more as an ethical and environmental thing, they make exceptions for stuff.
I consider myself vegan and this is how I am. A lot of people still think veganism is some weird hippy thing that stems solely from loving animals, but myself and everyone else I know like me got into veganism moreso for the clean eating aspects.
I still regularly eat wild caught fish or pasture raised free range eggs, but i mostly stick to fruits veggies and grains and you couldnt pay me to eat “meat” from a grocery store.
>people still think veganism is some weird hippy thing that stems solely from loving animals
That's probably because a lot of vegans online post pictures of factory farms and people eating dogs to emphasize the morality aspect of it.
>I still regularly eat wild caught fish or pasture raised free range eggs
Wouldn't that make you a pescetarian, then?
I mean yeah but its easier to just say vegan than explain to boomers what a pescatarian is
Fair enough. But I always thought the reason that the words vegan, vegetarian, and pescetarian exist was so we could distinguish between them. If we used the same label for all three, it could easily lead to confusion and awkward situations.
lol imagine walking past that sign with your 10 year old white slave in tow
>it's easier to just use the wrong word
man I hate you
Then use the right word until it becomes common enough for most people to know what it means. I'm not vegan but saying you're vegan while eating fish makes you seem self-righteous and/or moronic.
I am vegan for the laste 12 years and I dont mind grocery store meat at all . No idea why its demonized so much
You must be joking
Who gives a frick? It's just easier to say vegan to other people so they don't give you stuff you don't want to eat.
Mythical digits.
I think there's ethical concerns about related industries. The dairy industry is the main source of veal. Dairy cows need to be impregnated to produce milk. You only need a few bulls for hundreds of dairy cows, so male calves are typically raised for a few months and then slaughtered for their meat.
My main argument is that most vegans aren't inherently opposed to the concept of eating animal products, but rather the way the industries surrounding them are run.
Disliking factory farming doesn't make you a vegan. Vegans roundly reject the consumption of any animal product, regardless of how ethically it was sourced.
So my question is, why is eating ethically sourced animal products bad?
I think a lot of them just decide that the harvesting of animal products can't be ethical no matter what the circumstances are. While you might consider it to be ethical, they have different standards and opinions on the matter.
>So my question is, why is eating ethically sourced animal products bad?
most vegans will tell you that there is no such thing as ethically-sourced animal products. i don't mean to make this political, but as analogy, it's like asking an anti-abortion activist why they're opposed to condoms or abortion before a fertilized egg could be practically considered a "life". they are operating on a totally different set of ethical principles than you, so beginning with your own ethical principles isn't going to get you anywhere in understanding their perspective.
you can make a bunch of "what if" gotchas, but like you said,
>most vegans aren't inherently opposed to the concept of eating animal products, but rather the way the industries surrounding them are run.
the fact of the matter is that 99% of consumed animal products are a product of those industries, so you're not going to make any headway being like "oh, but what if the chicken already died and couldn't consent to use of its eggs anyway" or "but what if it was wild and i killed it myself"
That's... actually a pretty good point, I hadn't thought of it like that.
My moral considerations are obviously a little bit different. For example, I think it would be animal abuse to feed your dog a vegan diet. It would be child abuse to feed your son a vegan diet. We are naturally omnivorous, and I don't see anything wrong with that. I accept who I inherently am and do not reject my own nature.
do you wear shoes? thats rejecting your own nature
No, it's not. All the different civilizations around the world have been wearing shoes for thousands of years, likely even into the prehistoric era. This notion that humanity is naturally a bunch of barbaric Black folk that kill and rape and don't wear clothes is fricking moronic.
Humans have always been a collaborative and social species, we're not just nice to each other because of technology. Whenever we do fight each other, it's generally competition over resources, same today as it was back then.
>My main argument is that most vegans aren't inherently opposed to the concept of eating animal products, but rather the way the industries surrounding them are run.
You're almost there. Vegans aren't opposed to anything but being told they're a problem.
The solution would be to ignore the lies but the lies also told them to solution is to buy expensive, artificial and plastic vegan products to live symbiotically with mother Gaia.
Weirdly some vegans seem to have morals compatible with intensive factory farming to reduce land impact, unless you point out any land "saved" from livestock will be turned over to forestry or housing.
>it's easier to tell boomers I'm a vegan than a pescatarian
>boomers
>vegan
>easier
Your diet choices sound more in line with boomers. Only younger generations would be worried that you don't trust packaged food like a conspiracy nut.
Unless you let slip that your wild caught fish are the same fish everyone else gets, or that your free range eggs are just free range eggs.
>But I always thought [...] so we could distinguish between them.
>it could easily lead to confusion and awkward situations.
Just like the modern approach to race, gender and sexuality.
>I accept who I inherently am and do not reject my own nature.
Avoid the natural argument.
It wins if you know your audience is a majority of knuckle draggers who are against veganism but it's sketchy otherwise.
>we aren't natural, we eat additives, so supplements are good
>beef isn't natural, it has to have additives, you shouldn't eat that
>abattoirs aren't natural
>we can naturally survive on plants
... and so on and so forth because they are proposing a fictional life that can be whatever they want it to be during the argument, like communism, however you live a defined life that can be discredited on a whim.
How do you feed milk grass?
Some vegans are okay with eating eggs from pet chickens. Some say that shellfish are basically plants so it's okay to eat them. The most extreme ones will say you shouldn't have anything to do with animals at all but I think they're a minority and most just think it's not necessary to kill animals and should be avoided. You can get eggs and milk without killing but most of what you'll find in the store has involved culling less useful animals at some point so it's not completely free from death. I think most vegans would eat lab-grown meat though, even though it's technically real meat but could be eventually produced without having to kill.
I think companies that produce milk and eggs are trying to come up with ways to only have female animals born so they don't have to cull as many males. That might be doable before lab-grown meat is in stores.
hmm. a lot of people who are experts on vegans but not vegan themselves are here...
I mean, you don't have to be a cat to be knowledgeable about cats.
why would a vegan be on a cooking forum?
>cooking
>forum
disagree on both counts
Is being cummed inside vegan friendly?
as long as it's by a male (female)
Thanks, I was just wondering.
Not that it affects me, I'm not a vegan
Because it's still slavery and murder, even if the animals are happy for a while and too dumb to realise the truth
because they are very stupid
>stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters
I consider myself a vegan but I do eat a ribeye steak once a week. Its ethically sourced though.
I asked my vegan relative this and he said it's because the farm animals that exist today are bred in unnatural ways that causes them to produce way more meat/milk/eggs than what they are supposed to, so it's still unethical to eat, say, eggs from a modern hen because it's been bred to lay twice as many eggs as it should naturally do.
So does this vegan relative want chickens to go extinct? Chickens are just a domesticated version of red junglefowl, kind of like dogs are domesticated versions of wolves. They were created for food production and wienerfighting.
There are over 20 billion chickens in the world because of their use as food. So what's the plan? Release them all? Stop breeding them until they go extinct?
Chickens as we know them are not a naturally occurring species. It sounds like your vegan friend would prefer it if chickens didn't exist at all.
Holy frick, nice digits.
>So what's the plan? Release them all? Stop breeding them until they go extinct?
Of course not, anon's relative will say they need to breed the au naturel genes back into them, provide reservations for them to live on, run by volunteers and funded by charity, and slowly move all humans to Mars as we rewild the planet to be human free and 100% natural.
my gf is a vegetarian and explained to me that even aside from the ecological and ethical issues surrounding industrial agriculture, she just thinks it's wrong to kill animals and take their life away for our benefit when we don't really need to in order to survive.
for a long time i thought it was stupid to be vegetarian for any reason outside of factory farming being bad, but her perspective kind of showed me that it is genuinely kind of fricked that we just kill living animals that feel pain just so we can eat them. regardless of their intelligence blah blah blah, it kind of bums me out
Why is it wrong to kill things so we can eat them? We eat meat. Even if you're concerned about their feelings or whatever, couldn't you eat clams or shrimp? They're basically bugs.