you know what I just realized, why tf isnt italian food more to do with seafood than it is, all the popular shit isnt anything to do with the fact that theyre on the mediterranean
They did. Just not in your pizza-flavored Combos and Batman calzonys.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
so give me an example, whats a quintessential italian seafood dish for the unenlightened amerifat
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tagliatelle di cacca effeminite con tonno e cibo per cani
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Tagliatelle di cacca effeminite con tonno e cibo per cani
give it to me in english or post a link, searching this brings up a bunch of dog food
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Italian-American here..he just called you a fatass and your mother a prostitute. Are you just gonna sit there and take that from Giuseppe?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
lol
so give me an example, whats a quintessential italian seafood dish for the unenlightened amerifat
Serious answer, sweet and sour fish.
Simple, good and can be done with any firm fleshed fish, be it white or oily.
Perch fishballs.
Flatfish with butter and lemon (similar to French miller's sole).
Sicilian seafood couscous (they're Arabs, so of course they eat couscous).
Sicilian seafood and saffron risotto.
"Neapolitan mixed tempura."
Saltcod salad.
Saltcod fritters.
Saltcod in tomato sauce.
Charcoal roasted octopus.
Wine braised octopus.
Octopus salad with its own mayonnaise.
Octopus tea.
Etc etc etc
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
these sound pretty gud, thanks anon
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>cacca
tee hee
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
ahahah
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Threadjack, but now I want some pretzel cheese Combos.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cracker > Pretzel
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Jokes aside, has anyone else noticed that Combos these days are like anti-food? They don't taste good and they're like a ball of cotton in your gut.
they did. they are. always have been.
you don't live in italy or around italians, that's why, moron. you're an american. the "italians" you know are americans too. the "italian" food you know is american.
Go to Italy, dumb frick.
Also OP is moronic and needs to travel more.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to italy to see some fish dish c**t, I'm questioning why the iconic italian dishes we know on a global scale rarely are related to the seafood I'm sure is prevalent in the country, which is apparently because the italians that made it big were the hicks of the country
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also because americans and central/northern europeans don't like seafood as much and would have to pay more to get the kinds popular in italy imported.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>northern europeans don't like seafood
What?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Eh. I think they mostly tend to the local varieties. Never heard that mediterranean seafood was popular in scandinavia or britain.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its just too expensive on average to be popular
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I thought you meant that Northern Europe didn't like fish in general.
Still both the north and the south stick to their traditional preparations/recipes.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
mediterranean seafood is popular in scandinavia if and only if it's recreatable with local seafood. we won't import some rare ass sicilian squid to make a pasta but we will gladly have the mussel dishes
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
We do serve scampi and paella and shitty calamari.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
true
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm questioning why the iconic italian dishes we know on a global scale rarely are related to the seafood
Because
lol
We eat a LOT of seafood. Thing is, and this is not a joke but 100% accurate, most "Italian" Americans are descended of our equivalent of sister-fricking hillbillies from the mountains. Not a lot of sea up there lmao
Because of that, they didn't have much of a tradition of seafood to bring to the new world with them. A notable exception to this is the Sicilians. Since the center of the island may as well be completely uninhabited (desert and all that), most Sicilians live by the coasts and therefore have access to seafood.
>most "Italian" Americans are descended of our equivalent of sister-fricking hillbillies from the mountains. Not a lot of sea up there
That's why.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tell me you’re from Williamsburg without telling me
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What the frick Is Williamsburg? I'm from Vomero.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Most Italian Americans were from Sicily...
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
oh, that explains why italians don't like sicilians
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
‘Italian’-Americans are the worst sub-species of mutt.
Ever the beaner hybrids are better.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to italy to see some fish dish c**t, I'm questioning why the iconic italian dishes we know on a global scale rarely are related to the seafood I'm sure is prevalent in the country, which is apparently because the italians that made it big were the hicks of the country
I'm in the USA and my grandparents would always get zuppa di clams/mussels when we went out to an Italian restaurant. Nobody younger in the family would order seafood as much though. Pretty much all Italian restaurants that I've been to in the USA will have zuppa di clams/mussels, calamari, frutti di mare, various shrimp dishes. Sometimes scallops. Usually a few different kinds of fish fillet dishes.
It's lighter food though for the most part. I think when people go out they want something heavy and a little more indulgent like pizza, or something else with a lot of cheese or meat. Might have to do with seafood not being as cheap too most of the time.
lol
We eat a LOT of seafood. Thing is, and this is not a joke but 100% accurate, most "Italian" Americans are descended of our equivalent of sister-fricking hillbillies from the mountains. Not a lot of sea up there lmao
Because of that, they didn't have much of a tradition of seafood to bring to the new world with them. A notable exception to this is the Sicilians. Since the center of the island may as well be completely uninhabited (desert and all that), most Sicilians live by the coasts and therefore have access to seafood.
they eat lots of fish, but the climate there is able to grow a bunch of other things, and they can support other livestock too. they don't have a reason to have a heavier presence of fish in their cuisine like the smaller island countries do
>'muricans eat more fish per capita than the UK
How? There are huge swathes of the US where people have probably never seen a fish. Are all the chippies closing down in Bongland?
We ate all the fish
Not joking, the waters around the UK are practically sterile
That's why we're so autistic about our fishing rights
The last time pirates tried fishing illegally in our waters we shot them with muskets
FYI that was 3 years ago
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i didn't know it was possible for brits to be this based anymore
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>killing pirates with a musket
You're alright with me, Nigel
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Member when you had a "war" with iceland about your fishing boats trying to frick up icelandic waters next and you lost? kek
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'll have you know we lost 3 times, if you're going to mug us off at least do it right
Most of the fish british people prefer has been overfished to death locally and has to be imported. And all the things that aren't plain old white fish are now seen as old fashioned foods e.g. kippers because if it ain't cooked by an immigrant it ain't real food or something. Weirdly most of the fish and seafood that is still landed in the UK is exported to the continent and most of the UK's fish is imported from the scandis.
>scampi
Americans cook shrimp and call them scampi so I wouldn't trust "Italian" restaurants in America for anything but especially not seafood. Scampi are a different animal entirely. They look similar to some degree but don't taste the same and certainly don't look alike once cooked.
I thought scampi is what they call spiny lobster in America. Or some other small crustacean anyways
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nope. To an American, scampi is any dish sauteed with butter, garlic and parsley, with wine being optional and shrimp being the most common variant (as the so-called "shrimp scampi").
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"Americans call all shrimp scampi" >tf? no we don't >"Americans call a type of dish scampi americansamericansamericans..."
At least keep the goalposts in place you obsessed gaywad
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are not very smart.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
what other scampis are there and which is your fav and was there an ancient advanced civilization in the prehistoric Amazon and how advanced are we talking here
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what other scampis are there
To whom?
To an American, there are
https://google.com/search?q=crab+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=scampi+mussels
https://google.com/search?q=clam+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=scallop+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=salmon+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=imitation+crab+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=lobster+scampi
and even
https://google.com/search?q=chicken+scampi
To an Italian, it's just one specific animal, nephrops norvegicus or whatever the scientific name is. >which is your fav
I've never had the American "scampi" dishes so the OG by default. >was there an ancient advanced civilization in the prehistoric amazon
Yes. A society of people named Elihu. >how advanced are we talking here
Sufficiently.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
mostly seafood thats interesting i sorta want to try a scampi now
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
TL;DR
Here in Bongland, Scampi is not a Prawn (or Shrimp, as Burgers call them) but a Langoustine, which is more like a small Lobster.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
that sounds real nice
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
We tend to eat the breaded tails and they are a great snack, often served in Pubs with chips.
Picrel is a crisp snack that is also often found in pubs, every bong will tell you what it smells like when you open a packet!!!
People use foreign words in ways that don't perfectly match their original definitions, it's very normal. Like calling a tuxedo a smoking. The beam in your eye is huge.
How many French fish dishes do you know although they border the Atlantic ocean and the Mediterranian sea. People just don't like fish dishes and so they are less popular.
I know very little about euro cuisine and even I know about bouillabaisse, and even then italy is like 75% coastline so it really doesnt compare
according to the graph provided by
https://i.imgur.com/yIGaptb.png
they eat lots of fish, but the climate there is able to grow a bunch of other things, and they can support other livestock too. they don't have a reason to have a heavier presence of fish in their cuisine like the smaller island countries do
meat was a lot cheaper in the americas than in the homecountry so italian immigrants went ham on meat and tomato based dishes that used to be reserved for special occasions in the old country.
i hate this antiwhite psyop. europeans spent hundreds of years selectively breeding new world crops so that they are what we know them as today.
a lot of egg, dairy, and fermented fish based sauces. Also theres plenty of evidence that heavily implies new world crops did exist in the old world at one time but went extinct from over consumption or natural disaster/climate change.
>Also theres plenty of evidence that heavily implies new world crops did exist in the old world at one time but went extinct from over consumption or natural disaster/climate change.
No there isn't, other then the sweet potato that the Polynesians picked up and took back with them.
>Primary dispersal event around 1520 by Spanish galleons >west across the Pacific
This doesn't jive. It took us centuries to figure out how to cross the Atlantic finally in 1492, but by 1520 we're already crossing the ENTIRE Pacific? How did they know that would lead to somewhere?
What? All of those, espeically tomatoes & potatoes where already selectivley bred and where not so different from what they looked like today, except for some fruits. They were cultivated over time to adapt to the other continent but that goes for both "trades".
>she's never seen what precolombian tomatoes and potatoes looked like
Potatoes had fingers making them look like gingerroot while tomatoes were much smaller and resembled red belladonna berries. The closest extant fruit/plant that looks like precolombian tomato is Brazilian nightshade so look that up if you want to see what Montezuma was eating before euros came along and fricked his shit in
that looks like it does not mean that the pre-colombian tomatoes looked like that, it was smaller sure but it still resembled todays tomatoes more than the pre-colombian one.
These people cultivated these plants for millennia even if selection has improved raipdly in agriculture of course.
No, just the ones euros brought back, hence the name "pomodoro" IE "golden fruit/apple." The natives had a few different colours but red was most common.
>Also theres plenty of evidence that heavily implies new world crops did exist in the old world at one time but went extinct from over consumption or natural disaster/climate change.
I find this hard to believe. seeds last a very long time and are easy to store. one pepper or tomato plant can give you hundreds of seeds
Please do me a favor and go crush up some crab apples ontop a regular slice of white bread, then pop it in the oven for like 10-15 minutes and explain to us how it turned out
Agriculture. Our close contact with large amount of domestic animals introduced diseases to humans in the old world. New world agriculture was different. Outside of places like the Aztec empire it was more like agriscaping. Manipulating rivers to make it easier to catch fish, manipulating forests to grow more edible plants and game.
So you haven't even read the article, have you? This website gets dumber every day, I swear
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes i did, and it says that there were paintings that showed people with syphilis symptoms
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You stupid fricking monkey, it doesn't say that at all. It says that one guy made the claim that these medieval doodles represented people with syphilis symptoms. Even the article's editor repeatedly casts doubt on that theory.
This is the problem with mindless subhumans being taught how to read, they start gobbling up wikipedia articles but they're too stupid to understand what they read.
Amerigods made europe what it is. After they chimped out and nearly destroyed each other, we had to rebuild everything for them. To this day, they are still massive welfare queens to the amerigod.
You know you just admitted to being non-white, right? Since it was the Spaniards and Portuguese who introduced literally every single one of those things from the new world and not whites, taking credit for it is a tacit admission of non-whitehood.
Also dwarves having Yorkshire accents, while not anachronistic is still inaccurate. Everyone knows dwarves are Geordies. They're the shortest people in the UK to this day (average male height is 5ft8 up there lmao).
Pipes didn't become common in Europe until the end of the 16th century. There is evidence of some weirdos smoking herbs and some medieval bodies did test positive for THC, opium has always been a thing. But when a handful of people can read and write they aren't going to waste their time writing about the opium smokers
>i just wonder what other ancient extinct foods we are missing out on and if we can somehow bring them back and unlock new recipes
I've always wanted to go to Buffalo Wild Wings and get some super hot dodo wings.
>live in uk >most restaurants within 20 miles are American chains or restaurants trying to copy american style Italian chains.
Whilst we've been preoccupied with Britain being subverted by immigrants, we've actually turned into the equivalent of an american fly-over state.... culturally at least.
If we are just going by what is visible here, I could easily go without the euromateria and subsist off of the blessings god gave America. >Verification not required.
How come there weren't any new world diseases that rekt the Europeans? You only ever hear about smallpox and shit, you're telling me all those stinky sweaty jungles in south america didn't have some crazy viruses?
>According to a 2020 study, more than 20% of individuals in the age range 15–34 years in late 18th-century London were treated for syphilis.[107]
damn son
I moved to a Mexican neighborhood and my neighbor taught me to speak Maya but he told me it was Spanish and I rolled up on some Mexicans and was like, "Howdy" and they looked at me like I was moronic and he was there, he laughed his ass off
>Spain without avocados
You mean... normal-ass Spain, right? Cuz Spaniards don't eat avocado much. Spanish daily avocado consumption is about on par with Switzerland. And that's total consumption for the whole country. And Switzerland has less than a fifth the population of Spain IE it's not really eaten en España.
Weird. I guess I assumed they incorporated them into their food. To be fair my frame of reference is mexican food. They don't really have spanish eateries where I live
Avocado isn't really popular on Europe at all. It's eaten to some degree in Britain and Ireland but not much elsewhere. It's really only popular in the Americas and Asia (also Africa to as lesser degree).
The exchange brought much greater change to the Americas than to Europe, even with regard to cuisine. How could it be otherwise? Native American societies had been isolated from something like 90% of the human population, having no involvement with the past 10,000 years of civilizational development that occured in the old world. They had barely anything to work with. No cereals except maize, no livestock, no dairy, no citrus, no cruciferous vegetables, not even garlic (at least as we know it today). Rough situation.
You can point to many recognizable European, African, or Asian dishes that couldd have been made in a pre-columbian world. Native American cuisine is harder. It was fundamentally transformed. What was being served in Montezuma's palace? Not much we could recognize today I think.
native americans blame the campaign of genocide for wiping out alot of old world recipies.
indian fry bread was invented on the trail of tears.
they never made a cookbook for the first thanksgiving.
but corn squash and peas would be part of it.
cruciferious veg didnt happen until we started fricking with the mustard plant. broccoli, kale, cauliflower are alittle later.
cool now add a big fat arrow with spices and chili being exported all over the world by spanish and portuguese, and then show said graph to nigs and jeets talking bout muh bland euro cuisine.
Aren't the Spaniards only barely relevant at all to the history of new world ingredients being adopted globally? iinm, it was just the Portuguese who spread chili, peanuts etc on a worldwide scale
Showing the honeybee as an old world export is kind of disingenuous, as the Americas had bees and honey and a honey collecting culture already, it was just different species of bee.
Those were stingless bees of the genus Melipona. European honey bees (Apis) form much larger colonies, produce more honey and can sting you.
Its like saying we didnt get turkeys from the americas, because we already had chickens.
There were no cows here? Nah that's impossible. America invented cows, cowboys, steak, and drinkable milk. We also invented onions so that's bullshit too.
That's nice.
>the diseases
lmao get fricked lardasses
>european education
The tomato for sure. What was Italian cooking like before 1492 without the tomato?
pineapple pizza without the sauce
you know what I just realized, why tf isnt italian food more to do with seafood than it is, all the popular shit isnt anything to do with the fact that theyre on the mediterranean
It does use a lot of seafood. Your Chef Boyardee pizza pockets and New Jersey gabagool aren't actually Italian.
I know that but what I mean is why didnt the seafood parts take off in popularity like the pasta and all
They did. Just not in your pizza-flavored Combos and Batman calzonys.
so give me an example, whats a quintessential italian seafood dish for the unenlightened amerifat
Tagliatelle di cacca effeminite con tonno e cibo per cani
>Tagliatelle di cacca effeminite con tonno e cibo per cani
give it to me in english or post a link, searching this brings up a bunch of dog food
Italian-American here..he just called you a fatass and your mother a prostitute. Are you just gonna sit there and take that from Giuseppe?
lol
Serious answer, sweet and sour fish.
Simple, good and can be done with any firm fleshed fish, be it white or oily.
Perch fishballs.
Flatfish with butter and lemon (similar to French miller's sole).
Sicilian seafood couscous (they're Arabs, so of course they eat couscous).
Sicilian seafood and saffron risotto.
"Neapolitan mixed tempura."
Saltcod salad.
Saltcod fritters.
Saltcod in tomato sauce.
Charcoal roasted octopus.
Wine braised octopus.
Octopus salad with its own mayonnaise.
Octopus tea.
Etc etc etc
these sound pretty gud, thanks anon
>cacca
tee hee
ahahah
Threadjack, but now I want some pretzel cheese Combos.
Cracker > Pretzel
Jokes aside, has anyone else noticed that Combos these days are like anti-food? They don't taste good and they're like a ball of cotton in your gut.
they did. they are. always have been.
you don't live in italy or around italians, that's why, moron. you're an american. the "italians" you know are americans too. the "italian" food you know is american.
Go to Italy, dumb frick.
Also OP is moronic and needs to travel more.
I'm not going to italy to see some fish dish c**t, I'm questioning why the iconic italian dishes we know on a global scale rarely are related to the seafood I'm sure is prevalent in the country, which is apparently because the italians that made it big were the hicks of the country
Also because americans and central/northern europeans don't like seafood as much and would have to pay more to get the kinds popular in italy imported.
>northern europeans don't like seafood
What?
Eh. I think they mostly tend to the local varieties. Never heard that mediterranean seafood was popular in scandinavia or britain.
Its just too expensive on average to be popular
I thought you meant that Northern Europe didn't like fish in general.
Still both the north and the south stick to their traditional preparations/recipes.
mediterranean seafood is popular in scandinavia if and only if it's recreatable with local seafood. we won't import some rare ass sicilian squid to make a pasta but we will gladly have the mussel dishes
We do serve scampi and paella and shitty calamari.
true
>I'm questioning why the iconic italian dishes we know on a global scale rarely are related to the seafood
Because
>most "Italian" Americans are descended of our equivalent of sister-fricking hillbillies from the mountains. Not a lot of sea up there
That's why.
Tell me you’re from Williamsburg without telling me
What the frick Is Williamsburg? I'm from Vomero.
Most Italian Americans were from Sicily...
oh, that explains why italians don't like sicilians
‘Italian’-Americans are the worst sub-species of mutt.
Ever the beaner hybrids are better.
I'm in the USA and my grandparents would always get zuppa di clams/mussels when we went out to an Italian restaurant. Nobody younger in the family would order seafood as much though. Pretty much all Italian restaurants that I've been to in the USA will have zuppa di clams/mussels, calamari, frutti di mare, various shrimp dishes. Sometimes scallops. Usually a few different kinds of fish fillet dishes.
It's lighter food though for the most part. I think when people go out they want something heavy and a little more indulgent like pizza, or something else with a lot of cheese or meat. Might have to do with seafood not being as cheap too most of the time.
Travel should be illegal
lol
We eat a LOT of seafood. Thing is, and this is not a joke but 100% accurate, most "Italian" Americans are descended of our equivalent of sister-fricking hillbillies from the mountains. Not a lot of sea up there lmao
Because of that, they didn't have much of a tradition of seafood to bring to the new world with them. A notable exception to this is the Sicilians. Since the center of the island may as well be completely uninhabited (desert and all that), most Sicilians live by the coasts and therefore have access to seafood.
they eat lots of fish, but the climate there is able to grow a bunch of other things, and they can support other livestock too. they don't have a reason to have a heavier presence of fish in their cuisine like the smaller island countries do
>'muricans eat more fish per capita than the UK
How? There are huge swathes of the US where people have probably never seen a fish. Are all the chippies closing down in Bongland?
There are lakes and rivers in every single state
We ate all the fish
Not joking, the waters around the UK are practically sterile
That's why we're so autistic about our fishing rights
The last time pirates tried fishing illegally in our waters we shot them with muskets
FYI that was 3 years ago
i didn't know it was possible for brits to be this based anymore
>killing pirates with a musket
You're alright with me, Nigel
Member when you had a "war" with iceland about your fishing boats trying to frick up icelandic waters next and you lost? kek
I'll have you know we lost 3 times, if you're going to mug us off at least do it right
Most of the fish british people prefer has been overfished to death locally and has to be imported. And all the things that aren't plain old white fish are now seen as old fashioned foods e.g. kippers because if it ain't cooked by an immigrant it ain't real food or something. Weirdly most of the fish and seafood that is still landed in the UK is exported to the continent and most of the UK's fish is imported from the scandis.
Calamari, scampi, frutti di mare are all common dishes for proper Italian restaurants
>scampi
Americans cook shrimp and call them scampi so I wouldn't trust "Italian" restaurants in America for anything but especially not seafood. Scampi are a different animal entirely. They look similar to some degree but don't taste the same and certainly don't look alike once cooked.
I thought scampi is what they call spiny lobster in America. Or some other small crustacean anyways
Nope. To an American, scampi is any dish sauteed with butter, garlic and parsley, with wine being optional and shrimp being the most common variant (as the so-called "shrimp scampi").
>"Americans call all shrimp scampi"
>tf? no we don't
>"Americans call a type of dish scampi americansamericansamericans..."
At least keep the goalposts in place you obsessed gaywad
You are not very smart.
what other scampis are there and which is your fav and was there an ancient advanced civilization in the prehistoric Amazon and how advanced are we talking here
>what other scampis are there
To whom?
To an American, there are
https://google.com/search?q=crab+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=scampi+mussels
https://google.com/search?q=clam+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=scallop+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=salmon+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=imitation+crab+scampi
https://google.com/search?q=lobster+scampi
and even
https://google.com/search?q=chicken+scampi
To an Italian, it's just one specific animal, nephrops norvegicus or whatever the scientific name is.
>which is your fav
I've never had the American "scampi" dishes so the OG by default.
>was there an ancient advanced civilization in the prehistoric amazon
Yes. A society of people named Elihu.
>how advanced are we talking here
Sufficiently.
mostly seafood thats interesting i sorta want to try a scampi now
TL;DR
Here in Bongland, Scampi is not a Prawn (or Shrimp, as Burgers call them) but a Langoustine, which is more like a small Lobster.
that sounds real nice
We tend to eat the breaded tails and they are a great snack, often served in Pubs with chips.
Picrel is a crisp snack that is also often found in pubs, every bong will tell you what it smells like when you open a packet!!!
forgot pic.
People use foreign words in ways that don't perfectly match their original definitions, it's very normal. Like calling a tuxedo a smoking. The beam in your eye is huge.
How many French fish dishes do you know although they border the Atlantic ocean and the Mediterranian sea. People just don't like fish dishes and so they are less popular.
French literally call fish a pois(s)on.
I know very little about euro cuisine and even I know about bouillabaisse, and even then italy is like 75% coastline so it really doesnt compare
>75% coastline
Now look up how much of the population lives on the coast.
you could just tell me
according to the graph provided by
france eats more fish than italy lol
meat was a lot cheaper in the americas than in the homecountry so italian immigrants went ham on meat and tomato based dishes that used to be reserved for special occasions in the old country.
Spanish cuisine is more suited for fish dishes.
Most of it is. The popularized stuff is more of a sampling of regional dishes and often very simplified.
Plenty of Italian food is seafood based particularly as you move south. American 'italian' slop is not representative of the real dishes.
that's 100% a shallot or other allium bulb with the stem still partially attached. sorry medgays, nordics still beat you to the americas.
Italy didn’t exist until the 19th century.
Nobody likes a pedant, anon.
The potato is arguably more important
>The potato is arguably more important
Sure, as a basic food source but from the perspective of its effect on cuisine, I'd say the tomato is more important.
They had beef, seafood, wheat, cream, milk, butter, olives. It's not just pizza and spaghetti.
Spaghetti have existed in Italy since the Arab invasions and pizza since before that.
Probably just like all the non tomatoes bassed Italian dishes you cann get now.
i hate this antiwhite psyop. europeans spent hundreds of years selectively breeding new world crops so that they are what we know them as today.
a lot of egg, dairy, and fermented fish based sauces. Also theres plenty of evidence that heavily implies new world crops did exist in the old world at one time but went extinct from over consumption or natural disaster/climate change.
>Also theres plenty of evidence that heavily implies new world crops did exist in the old world at one time but went extinct from over consumption or natural disaster/climate change.
No there isn't, other then the sweet potato that the Polynesians picked up and took back with them.
Chicken. South America had chickens before euros showed up. NA did not
Look it up. Those blue egg motherfrickers are from South America and have been there since before Columbus
>Look it up.
No, you look it up and post the citation, you made the claim.
>Primary dispersal event around 1520 by Spanish galleons
>west across the Pacific
This doesn't jive. It took us centuries to figure out how to cross the Atlantic finally in 1492, but by 1520 we're already crossing the ENTIRE Pacific? How did they know that would lead to somewhere?
What? All of those, espeically tomatoes & potatoes where already selectivley bred and where not so different from what they looked like today, except for some fruits. They were cultivated over time to adapt to the other continent but that goes for both "trades".
>she's never seen what precolombian tomatoes and potatoes looked like
Potatoes had fingers making them look like gingerroot while tomatoes were much smaller and resembled red belladonna berries. The closest extant fruit/plant that looks like precolombian tomato is Brazilian nightshade so look that up if you want to see what Montezuma was eating before euros came along and fricked his shit in
that looks like it does not mean that the pre-colombian tomatoes looked like that, it was smaller sure but it still resembled todays tomatoes more than the pre-colombian one.
These people cultivated these plants for millennia even if selection has improved raipdly in agriculture of course.
>tomatoes were much smaller and resembled red belladonna berries.
Originally they were yellow.
No, just the ones euros brought back, hence the name "pomodoro" IE "golden fruit/apple." The natives had a few different colours but red was most common.
>Also theres plenty of evidence that heavily implies new world crops did exist in the old world at one time but went extinct from over consumption or natural disaster/climate change.
I find this hard to believe. seeds last a very long time and are easy to store. one pepper or tomato plant can give you hundreds of seeds
>i hate this antiwhite psyop
It isn't.
America is white and was basically 99% white at the point this trade started.
>America is white
FTFY - America is minority white, it's the new Brazil.
The best pasta dishes don't use tomato.
Pasta with rabe and sausage
Pasta with pesto
Pasta alfredo
Pasta with sardines and fennel
Europe had fava beans
fava, chickpeas, lentils, peas, soya, mung, cowpeas are all old world species. new world beans species are the ones in baked beans or burritos
>americans think they invented potatoes
do you know something we dont? potatoes are american
They forgotten syphilis. That is an all American disease.
>anon discovers syncretism
>American as apple pie (made from central asian apples and middle eastern grain)
Please do me a favor and go crush up some crab apples ontop a regular slice of white bread, then pop it in the oven for like 10-15 minutes and explain to us how it turned out
Huh? Do you think americans domesticated apples or invented pastry dough?
How so? Everything but tomatoes and potatoes seems like an indulgence even by modern standards
America didn't exist when Europeans imported plants from a new continent
Why did america not bring new diseases the other way around also?
because we are civilized
compared to how europeans lived, native americans were very very clean
Agriculture. Our close contact with large amount of domestic animals introduced diseases to humans in the old world. New world agriculture was different. Outside of places like the Aztec empire it was more like agriscaping. Manipulating rivers to make it easier to catch fish, manipulating forests to grow more edible plants and game.
syphilis immediately comes to mind. the one who made that picture was either dishonest or had an obvious agenda
there's evidence of it already existing in europe, with even some paintings from the early 1400s depicting it
just a coincidence it spread like a wildfire after south america was colonised
>with even some paintings from the early 1400s depicting it
may we see them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis#/media/File:Four_men_torture_Christ_before_his_crucifixion.jpg
So you haven't even read the article, have you? This website gets dumber every day, I swear
yes i did, and it says that there were paintings that showed people with syphilis symptoms
You stupid fricking monkey, it doesn't say that at all. It says that one guy made the claim that these medieval doodles represented people with syphilis symptoms. Even the article's editor repeatedly casts doubt on that theory.
This is the problem with mindless subhumans being taught how to read, they start gobbling up wikipedia articles but they're too stupid to understand what they read.
You forgot the triangle bit of the triangle trade
Amerigods made europe what it is. After they chimped out and nearly destroyed each other, we had to rebuild everything for them. To this day, they are still massive welfare queens to the amerigod.
You know you just admitted to being non-white, right? Since it was the Spaniards and Portuguese who introduced literally every single one of those things from the new world and not whites, taking credit for it is a tacit admission of non-whitehood.
Remember to sage israelite threads
>seething yuropoor thinks any statement putting america in a good light must be pure hebraic kvetching
Wow I didn't realize tobacco came from the new world. So what are the Europeans smoking in their pipes all those medieval movies?
name one movie you are referring to
Do you think that the Lord of the Rings was real?
Potatoes are also "anachronistic" for The Lord of the Rings, considering it is thematically it was supposed to start as a myth for England.
Also dwarves having Yorkshire accents, while not anachronistic is still inaccurate. Everyone knows dwarves are Geordies. They're the shortest people in the UK to this day (average male height is 5ft8 up there lmao).
they were vaping weed
mullen
many people smoked dried herbs as they believe it yielded health benefits
Pipes didn't become common in Europe until the end of the 16th century. There is evidence of some weirdos smoking herbs and some medieval bodies did test positive for THC, opium has always been a thing. But when a handful of people can read and write they aren't going to waste their time writing about the opium smokers
>So what are the Europeans smoking in their pipes all those medieval movies?
Pretty sure this comes from the old world too
Tobacco is a New World crop, weed is Old World.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cannabis
Weed is native to Morocco
crack
the question is what were you smoking when you saw all those medieval movies?
oh cool, fun food fac--
>le ebil deseases!
ah, it's israeli
The so called Columbus exchange is crazy but it's been 500+ years. I'm a texan but I'm glad not to just eat pemican and such.
i just wonder what other ancient extinct foods we are missing out on and if we can somehow bring them back and unlock new recipes
>i just wonder what other ancient extinct foods we are missing out on and if we can somehow bring them back and unlock new recipes
I've always wanted to go to Buffalo Wild Wings and get some super hot dodo wings.
And europe created americans by that logic.
>Europe/Africa/Asia to America
>coffee, sugar cane
My life is a lie.
>live in uk
>most restaurants within 20 miles are American chains or restaurants trying to copy american style Italian chains.
Whilst we've been preoccupied with Britain being subverted by immigrants, we've actually turned into the equivalent of an american fly-over state.... culturally at least.
You're either larping or you live next to a motorway
If we are just going by what is visible here, I could easily go without the euromateria and subsist off of the blessings god gave America.
>Verification not required.
not sure if there are any replacements that are native to america, but being without onion would be a shame
Can you think of a complete dish you have eaten and enjoyed that was made using only the listed new world ingredients? It's pretty difficult.
How come there weren't any new world diseases that rekt the Europeans? You only ever hear about smallpox and shit, you're telling me all those stinky sweaty jungles in south america didn't have some crazy viruses?
china made europe immune to everything
>How come there weren't any new world diseases that rekt the Europeans?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis
>According to a 2020 study, more than 20% of individuals in the age range 15–34 years in late 18th-century London were treated for syphilis.[107]
damn son
Americans are literally almost all from European descent.. ?
Mexico is not Europe, Pablito.
what language do they speak in m*xico and why, guissepe?
Nahuatl and Maaya t’aan, among others.
I moved to a Mexican neighborhood and my neighbor taught me to speak Maya but he told me it was Spanish and I rolled up on some Mexicans and was like, "Howdy" and they looked at me like I was moronic and he was there, he laughed his ass off
>Italy without tomatoes
>Ireland without potatoes
>Spain without avocados
>France without tobacco
>Britain without quinine
Hard to imagine
>Spain without avocados
You mean... normal-ass Spain, right? Cuz Spaniards don't eat avocado much. Spanish daily avocado consumption is about on par with Switzerland. And that's total consumption for the whole country. And Switzerland has less than a fifth the population of Spain IE it's not really eaten en España.
Weird. I guess I assumed they incorporated them into their food. To be fair my frame of reference is mexican food. They don't really have spanish eateries where I live
Avocado isn't really popular on Europe at all. It's eaten to some degree in Britain and Ireland but not much elsewhere. It's really only popular in the Americas and Asia (also Africa to as lesser degree).
https://www.google.com/search?q=did+the+americas+have+chickens+before+europeans
Right at the top of the page.
The exchange brought much greater change to the Americas than to Europe, even with regard to cuisine. How could it be otherwise? Native American societies had been isolated from something like 90% of the human population, having no involvement with the past 10,000 years of civilizational development that occured in the old world. They had barely anything to work with. No cereals except maize, no livestock, no dairy, no citrus, no cruciferous vegetables, not even garlic (at least as we know it today). Rough situation.
You can point to many recognizable European, African, or Asian dishes that couldd have been made in a pre-columbian world. Native American cuisine is harder. It was fundamentally transformed. What was being served in Montezuma's palace? Not much we could recognize today I think.
native americans blame the campaign of genocide for wiping out alot of old world recipies.
indian fry bread was invented on the trail of tears.
they never made a cookbook for the first thanksgiving.
but corn squash and peas would be part of it.
cruciferious veg didnt happen until we started fricking with the mustard plant. broccoli, kale, cauliflower are alittle later.
We had this exact thread yesterday
yeah, because it was created yesterday
There was another one I posted in that wasn't this one, with the same op
based schizo
Ebin
Tomatoes, potatoes, chocolate, avocados, squash, and corn are all from Latin America, not the US region.
Fricking idiots.
If by America you mean ~~*men in small hats*~~ then you're not far off.
>sugar cane is old world
I actually had no idea, I thought it was a Caribbean thing.
same with coffee
It's papuan iirc
ngl, we got specially lucky with maerican veggies, they're top notch
thank you america for showing us the concept of food. my medieval ancestors only ate water untill the US introduced the potato
The Americas didn't have native honeybees?
Why are diseases here?
>UM GUYS... REMEBER IT WASN'T ALL FUN AND GAMES
If ya gonna do that might as well throw in toilets and bureaucracy
diseases are a species too
Might as well include the parasite that killed all the grape vines in Europe too
Because old world diseases killed off a whole bunch of injuns. (Syphilis was comparably harmless to europe).
cool now add a big fat arrow with spices and chili being exported all over the world by spanish and portuguese, and then show said graph to nigs and jeets talking bout muh bland euro cuisine.
Aren't the Spaniards only barely relevant at all to the history of new world ingredients being adopted globally? iinm, it was just the Portuguese who spread chili, peanuts etc on a worldwide scale
mmm smallpox
Coffee >>> everything else on the list AND justifies the AIDS
>you discovered boiling water.
Showing the honeybee as an old world export is kind of disingenuous, as the Americas had bees and honey and a honey collecting culture already, it was just different species of bee.
Those were stingless bees of the genus Melipona. European honey bees (Apis) form much larger colonies, produce more honey and can sting you.
Its like saying we didnt get turkeys from the americas, because we already had chickens.
There were no cows here? Nah that's impossible. America invented cows, cowboys, steak, and drinkable milk. We also invented onions so that's bullshit too.
i think buffalo is basically the same thing
Not just European where do you think all the chili peppers Indians and Asians use came from
OK but who made the poptart
Couldn't be more wrong. As usual.
>Wheat, beef, sugar, and coffee
Europe created American cuisine