Second one of mine that's broken, and so I look it up and they don't even use forged steel blades.
These are garbage.
Why are Victorinox knives so fricking shitty?
Second one of mine that's broken, and so I look it up and they don't even use forged steel blades.
These are garbage.
You get what you pay for.
>partial tang knife
not even once, a fixed blade knife that isn't full tang isn't a knife.
Japanese hidden tangs are more than strong enough, and are easily replaced when they wear down after 50 years of use.
40 dorrah aint cheap, and the QC is shit on them.
Only thing they have going for them is a distal taper, and an actual grind on them. They flats make a V from tip to spine rather than just a small portion near the edge being ground.
This. Kiwi are shit, but good shit that isn't over priced. Great knives to practice sharpening because they are butter soft.
the steel and thinness of Kiwi knives is worse than fibrox, or classic, whatever the sweedes are calling them now. The more traditional handles on the kiwi are nice, but they compare to classic Chicago Cutlery, which really aren't great if found for the same price as most industrial line knives. You talk about taper and other stuff to try to sound smart, but then recommend an even skinnier, more bendy blade chef knife. Nonsense.
swiss, sweedes, whatever. I know. Don't post when drunk, kids. Still sober enough to know the differences between cheap knives without blowing smoke.
>Japanese hidden tangs
Don't care about silly asiatic workarounds. No full tang, no purchase. It's not fricking hard to make a slightly bigger piece of metal, there's literally zero excuse other than pinching pennies.
devil's advocate here, folding knives
I specified fixed blade in my first post. Yeah, folding are a different story, but that's not kitchen knives. That said I also prefer my folders to at least have locking.
The frick are you cutting that you need all of your knives to be full tang?
NTA but investing only in full tang knives are the way to go tbdesu
No it's not. My hidden tang Japanese knives are far superior to everything my full tang euro knives can do in everything except cutting things that can chip harder steel.
Stupid know nothing take. Don't grug smash with your knife and it's fine. I bet I could put over 100lbs of weight on my deba's hanfmdle and it would be fine.
You can't read, and you're a knifelet. I know more about knives than you, guaranteed.
I need cheap and HARD knives
The secret? Make your own from 1084 steel and an angle grinder.
you mean 52100 surely?
There are a lot of good options if you have a little skill with a torch. 1084 HT is near idiot proof if you have a magnet handy.
Uni :3
The Swiss aren't exactly known for warfare or cookery.
They were the greatest pikemen ever to set foot on a battlefield. Granted, noone's fought with pikes for quite a while now.
>not even full tang
everyone was shilling these so hard because much cheap but I knew that's not how the game is played and bought a bunch of wüsthof instead
The fibrox line is a base-level of acceptable. They're also good for beginners who are learning to maintain a knife in good condition (sharp and free of corrosion or filth). They're not much better than most industrial knife lines except for generally being more comfortable for many.
>The fibrox line is a base-level of acceptable.
No it's not. It's fricking garbage.
They're not garbage. They're decent for cheap knives. Of course you can get better, but generally that will mean 1/3 higher price, just for riveted handles all other things being relatively equal.
>They're decent for cheap knives.
No they're not, they're trash.
no they're not, they're very acceptable knives. I have one 9 or 10 incher from the late 90's early 00's. I have more expensive, newer knives but I always default to that bad boy because it works so damn well.
i'll give you a 10 incher from the 90's
shut the frick up, you homo
Shoulda gotten a Kiwi knife
It's not that they're shitty, just you get what you pay for. A full tang knife costs more, whereas a half or partial tang knife costs less.
It's also dependent on how you look after your knives. Putting these types of knives in a dishwasher for instance, will often result in moisture becoming trapped within the handle and rusting the blade, making it brittle and an obvious weak-point.
For the price-point, Victorinox knives are good quality.
They were never meant to be premium knives, but some dumbass youtubers announced they were the best knife evar and now they're charging like $50 for a $15 knife because that's what people will pay
Seems pretty common, good performance/price option goes viral and the price skyrockets.
So does it have a replacement, or are we stuck in a purgatory of expensive good knives, cheap shit knives and nothing in between?
The Mercer Millennia/Renaissance are generally better value than Victorinox.
For a bit more there's the MAC 7.25", if you don't mind the slightly smaller blade.
There might also be some decent local or DTC shops, Misen is shit though.
>serrated knives
only good for pruning trees and slicing bread
>b-but stea-
you're not running a bistro, sharpen your knives lazy
That's a cheap steak knife.
Were you trying to use a cheap steak knife as if it was an actually kitchen knife?
Not even man
even my 4 for $6 Walmart knives are full tang
I've had my fibrox for 3 years and have used it every day and it's in perfect condition.
I've had one for going-on NINE years and it's also in perfect condition. I suspect that people who break knives are morons who throw temper tantrums when onions make them cry.
"full tang" means the blade is one continuous metal piece. Start there.
I have a victorinox santoku I'm not crazy about either. Same handle like in the OP and the fluting is pretty useless. Wish it had more weight too and that it could hold a honed edge for longer than 30 seconds
I use the 8" Fibrox chef knife & rosewood paring knife at work and they do just fine.
t. prep cook
>t. Subway sandwich artisan
aksually
subways don't have knives bigger than a paring knife
all the vegetables come precut or go through a slicer
Kitchens use bang for the buck knives sometimes referred to as "workhorses". They just werk and you see more expensive Shun knives if you wanna show off. Fibrox line is plenty good enough. You see the white handle Dexter Russel knives a lot, too
I got the Shibazi cleaver and it works great
Unironically if you're going to get a $50 knife I think the best bang for your buck is buying on aliexpress from one of the big chinese kitchen knife companies with a brand reputation to defend in their domestic market
$50 gets you 3 layer laminated stainless steel and HRC of 58-60
Just do a little research and look for reviews on youtube or r*ddit to see if the company is reputable, and make sure you're buying from the official store on aliexpress
Victorinox used to be pretty good but I suspect that they sold out to China and that made them shit.
>washes plastic in dishwasher over and over until it becomes brittle and breaks
>why is much cheap knife not as good as an expensive one waaaaaah
You call that a knife, mate?
>buy a 20$ fancy looking japanese paring knife (wasn't looking for one but it was on discount)
>cuts worse than my 3$ walmart knife that hasn't been sharpened in years
>can see visible imperfections on the edge
>the tip is fricking rounded, either it was ground this moronicly and broke off in my food and I didnt notice
God I hate Japan so much its unreal
>20$ fancy
>20$
>fancy
>fancy LOOKING
Lrn2read homie
I dont think its unreasonable to expect a 20 buck knife to not be total shit
>I dont think its unreasonable to expect a 20 buck knife to not be total shit
Just shipping the knife with 100% if it was complete free would be more expensive than 20$.
Come the frick on.
What's with apll the cats? Are you types homosexuals or need homosexual phone apps or both?
They're likely the same types that not only need phone apps but need tons of cats and are homosexuals.
OP's pic aint a victorinox
i broke a set of six of those over a couple months
go to a thrift store and get the first set of decent looking knives that look like this
jesus fricking christ I hate zoomers
Nice, you gonna prune your trees with that little handsaw?